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What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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It’s touched on obliquely, but psychopaths are impulsive and in constant need of stimulation, which, because of their diminished emotional responses, they largely derive from anti-social behavior. Its adrenaline inducing response is one of the few ways they can “feel.” High functioning psychopaths will often pursue long-term relationships because they provide a consistent source of this kind of stimulation, while als…

The authoritative tone of your comments bothers me. What are they based on? The claim that psychopaths pursue long-term relationships doesn't jive with the antisocial nature of this condition. I'm also troubled by your view that any engagement with a psychopath is wasted. Psychopathy does not exclude reason. A premise of your views is that you are able to unambiguously diagnose psychopathy in others, and that it is a…

>The authoritative tone of your comments bothers me. What are they based on?

A moderately extensive reading of the popular and professional literature on psychopaths. I know this is an internet message board, so it’s best to doubt such claims, but that’s the answer.

>The claim that psychopaths pursue long-term relationships doesn't jive with the antisocial nature of this condition

You’ll notice that I prefaced that with “high functioning.” High functioning psychopaths often come from financially and emotionally stable families/backgrounds, which help inhibit what we’d think of as overtly anti-social behavior (e.g. violence). And as you say, psychopaths are not without reason. Given a set of sufficiently pro-social developmental circumstances, some can learn to delay their “gratifications” to obtain greater “rewards,” just like anyone else.

>I'm also troubled by your view that any engagement with a psychopath is wasted.

It’s not so much wasted, but about reducing your exposure to harm. And it’s not my view, you can find the same stated in the work of people like Hare, Stout, and Babiak.

>A premise of your views is that you are able to unambiguously diagnose psychopathy in others, and that it is appropriate to treat those people radically differently based on your casual diagnosis.

I claim no such ability. I’m speaking only to a fuzzy heuristic intended to reduce my own exposure to psychopaths after damaging experiences with people who quite consistently match their patterns of behavior.

>To be frank, I feel like I'm reading paraphrases of Pieter Hintjens' self-help book "The Psychopath Code" which is quite popular with this website's users.

I’ve never read this book, so I can’t speak to it. Again, you’re well warranted in your skepticism because it’s the internet.

Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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Similar discussion from 5 months ago about an 2014 article: "Life as a Nonviolent Psychopath (2014)" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16584565 (122 comments)

I can recommend Athena Walker's (pseudonym of a psychopath) answers to Quora questions. [1] However, one must always be careful with the writings of a psychopath. These people are cunningly manipulative.

[1] https://www.quora.com/profile/Athena-Walker

Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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The bits of the transcript about having to wear a mask in order to function, having to internalize algorithms of human behavior that are totally unintuitive, and realizing that one’s deepest interpersonal instincts are out of sync with the rest of your kin remind me strongly of some individuals I’ve known with Aspergers/severe ADHD.

Additionally, her descriptions of not feeling fear, processing emotions at a lower intensity level than others, needing constant stimulation, and having a cognitive, but not truly emotional, understanding of romantic love and empathy ring true to my experience knowing these people.

I wonder if there is a legitimate grey zone at which these disorders overlap.

Or, alternatively, maybe my friend is just a psychopath.

Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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Attempts to humanize psychopaths disgust me. As do their clever attempts to derail the talk of their danger by bringing up serial killers. I don't care about serial killers. They're not a problem at all. Nobody should give a damn about serial killers. We're humans, not some pathetic herd animals who can feel placated knowing that there are no literal wolves around. It's the socially-adapted, nonviolent psychopaths li…

I don't think they cause as much harm as you seem to be implying ... If you could produce some sources

Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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Maybe there is a good reason for psychopaths to exist. Maybe it keeps the community from becoming too trusting, and then later having one person completely take advantage over the whole community. Psychopaths could be a vaccine to keep humans wary of the negative possibilities. It also reminds me of the fact that having small amounts of disturbance (e.g. environmental) in a biological ecosystem keeps biodiversity high.

Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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as a psychopath I can usually spot them from a mile away. I invariably hate them a lot. my current gf is also a psychopath, if she wasn't in jail we probably would have killed each other already.

How do you spot them?

Probably their demeanour, and if you realize that somebody is trying to use you, alarm bells would start ringing.

Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you spot them?

Probably their demeanour, and if you realize that somebody is trying to use you, alarm bells would start ringing.

Can you describe a psychopaths demeanor? I'd like to be able to spot them too.

Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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The bits of the transcript about having to wear a mask in order to function, having to internalize algorithms of human behavior that are totally unintuitive, and realizing that one’s deepest interpersonal instincts are out of sync with the rest of your kin remind me strongly of some individuals I’ve known with Aspergers/severe ADHD. Additionally, her descriptions of not feeling fear, processing emotions at a lower in…

In DSM-V (2013), asperger's is no longer being diagnosed. It is ASD ("autism") or not, and ASD is a spectrum. ADHD might very well be related to ASD (there's talks to merge the two, though I don't have an online source). People with such diagnosis are (neuro-)atypical. Someone with ASD likely has hyperfocus on certain subjects, and is oversensitive and undersensitive to certain stimulus (certain because it differs per autist). A psychopath can find common ground with an autist on the undersensitive aspects, insofar that they could be friends or that the psychopath only needs to wear the mask on (certain) oversensitive aspects. A psychopath might also very much enjoy the hyperfocus of an autist.

Disclosure: I have ASD diagnosis.

Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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Maybe there is a good reason for psychopaths to exist. Maybe it keeps the community from becoming too trusting, and then later having one person completely take advantage over the whole community. Psychopaths could be a vaccine to keep humans wary of the negative possibilities. It also reminds me of the fact that having small amounts of disturbance (e.g. environmental) in a biological ecosystem keeps biodiversity hig…

I understand that you’re just using analogies, but since psychopathy appears to biologically instantiated and heritable, I’m not sure they’re very useful.

More concretely, it’s a neurological variation that is “fit enough” to survive within human populations at a low threshold, so it persists. There’s no “guiding hand” beneath it all.

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