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What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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I think the thing most interesting in the interview was the S/O and friends. What's the value in those relationships to a psychopath? I can't imagine there's the same desire for consensual validation, etc that drives so many normative relationships. I really wish the interviewer dived a bit deeper into what her need fulfillment was in her interpersonal relationships.

It’s touched on obliquely, but psychopaths are impulsive and in constant need of stimulation, which, because of their diminished emotional responses, they largely derive from anti-social behavior. Its adrenaline inducing response is one of the few ways they can “feel.” High functioning psychopaths will often pursue long-term relationships because they provide a consistent source of this kind of stimulation, while als…

The authoritative tone of your comments bothers me. What are they based on? The claim that psychopaths pursue long-term relationships doesn't jive with the antisocial nature of this condition. I'm also troubled by your view that any engagement with a psychopath is wasted. Psychopathy does not exclude reason. A premise of your views is that you are able to unambiguously diagnose psychopathy in others, and that it is appropriate to treat those people radically differently based on your casual diagnosis.

To be frank, I feel like I'm reading paraphrases of Pieter Hintjens' self-help book "The Psychopath Code" which is quite popular with this website's users. The book is no longer open source, but I read a fair bit of it when it was. It struck me as a dangerous work that teaches how to perceive your foes as psychopaths, and then to cut them out of your life. I can see how the practice is empowering, but it irresponsibly elevates the armchair psychologist reader.

I think your comments should be be composed like the opinions they are, and not made to sound like objective truth.

Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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Attempts to humanize psychopaths disgust me. As do their clever attempts to derail the talk of their danger by bringing up serial killers. I don't care about serial killers. They're not a problem at all. Nobody should give a damn about serial killers. We're humans, not some pathetic herd animals who can feel placated knowing that there are no literal wolves around. It's the socially-adapted, nonviolent psychopaths like her that are the real problem.

One interesting yet rarely described trait of their kind is that, for all their glib talk, the transcript ends up vacuous and incoherent. There's nothing to be learned, because for them language is not a means of communication but a tool for manipulation and control; the effort to weigh the evidence and determine which parts correspond to physical reality is incommensurate with the yield.

>> When you meet new people, whether professionally or personally or whatever context, do you present them with the version of yourself that fits the situation?

> Absolutely. Why tell them anything that they don’t need to know? They just need to know what they can expect of me.

Well darling, what they need to know most is that you'll screw them over the instant it benefits you, so you're not convincing me here.

The same is true for any attempt of harnessing psychopathic behavior in some benign project. You have to ensure that at every moment, in every situation, they don't believe that they stand to gain a penny from backstabbing you or committing an atrocity; just as they always calculate the cost-benefit of doing so. There is no trust, no bond, not even any sort of a grace period; it's like pretending to have domesticated a crocodile. You run out of meat, you're it. Soldiers, surgeons, law professionals, CEOs, bankers. Everywhere psychopaths are a net loss and a liability, waiting for the rule enforcers to get distracted.

Worst of all, many of them are quite functional. Very much so, in fact. This is why there's no treatment; psychopathy is an alternative local optimum in human mental phenotype, rather than a disability. A parasitic one that probably evolved relatively recently with the transition from family groups and small tribes to big, partially anonymized societies, which allow for unnoticeable cheating.

Some say psychopathy is a scale. I claim it's just that psychometrics is not mature enough; "puerile", as Hannibal Lector would put it. There is a clear difference between a person who would not flush in a public toilet and a person who would, given reasonable guarantees of not being caught, momentarily borrow an careless "friend's" credit card and then burn through his savings. Who would cut costs diluting medication for one's patients and pocket the difference. Who would, as an attorney, conspire with the prosecution to put the client behind bars after swindling him of his money. A couples therapist who would facilitate a breakup to turn a client into a personal sex toy. All these are behaviors that stem directly from psychopathic traits. If you really, genuinely don't feel any concern at all for the well-being of other people, you'll be ready to commit crimes far greater than anyone who merely seeks to harm people for the thrill of it would. Though psychopaths like the thrill, as they get bored easily, and they do tend to amuse themselves with cruelty.

I pity her partner. Slavery for 19 years, and who knows how bad it'll get. The guy sure chose poorly.

Psychopathy, in my opinion, is the sole unobjectionable justification for negative eugenics, inasmuch at it's heritable. There's nothing else that's so purely devoid of excuses and detrimental for society.

Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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There have been many, many articles like this, and I think they have little value except the glorification of psychopaths. The term "psychopath" is fascinating to many, due to the cultural references linked to it. However psychopathy has never been clearly defined in the DSM. Maybe it's just a combination of other disorders (autism + NPD ?), maybe it's a separate disorder waiting to be discovered. Either way, nothing to be fascinated about.

Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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Attempts to humanize psychopaths disgust me. As do their clever attempts to derail the talk of their danger by bringing up serial killers. I don't care about serial killers. They're not a problem at all. Nobody should give a damn about serial killers. We're humans, not some pathetic herd animals who can feel placated knowing that there are no literal wolves around. It's the socially-adapted, nonviolent psychopaths li…

You come off worse than the psychopaths.

Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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I liked this. It offers hope. Bleak hope, but hope. But I can't stop thinking .. yea but maybe she isn't. Still.. the lack of fear and addiction risk in opioids bears thinking about. It suggests some brain chemistry difference. Definitely not a sociopath either. She cares enough not to want to cause pain even if she can't always read the symptoms of emotions. So.. if you have psychopathy but care enough to work aroun…

Why does it offer bleak hope? I really don’t get this parallel, where not feeling for someone equals wanting them to be in pain.

Not caring doesn’t make you evil, it makes you indifferent. I think feeling less is an advantage if you do want to hurt others, but there is really no correlation between the two. You don’t automatically start wanting to hurt people, just because you don’t feel empathy.

Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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Attempts to humanize psychopaths disgust me. As do their clever attempts to derail the talk of their danger by bringing up serial killers. I don't care about serial killers. They're not a problem at all. Nobody should give a damn about serial killers. We're humans, not some pathetic herd animals who can feel placated knowing that there are no literal wolves around. It's the socially-adapted, nonviolent psychopaths li…

You come off worse than the psychopaths.

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Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s touched on obliquely, but psychopaths are impulsive and in constant need of stimulation, which, because of their diminished emotional responses, they largely derive from anti-social behavior. Its adrenaline inducing response is one of the few ways they can “feel.” High functioning psychopaths will often pursue long-term relationships because they provide a consistent source of this kind of stimulation, while als…

The authoritative tone of your comments bothers me. What are they based on? The claim that psychopaths pursue long-term relationships doesn't jive with the antisocial nature of this condition. I'm also troubled by your view that any engagement with a psychopath is wasted. Psychopathy does not exclude reason. A premise of your views is that you are able to unambiguously diagnose psychopathy in others, and that it is a…

The much more interesting version of this article was the neurology researcher who scanned his own brain and found it matched exactly the structure of criminal psychopaths who he was studying.

The guy otherwise had a wife, children and positive social environment, so it was something of a surprise discovery to him. It was much more introspective and informative on the possible nature of the condition - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-neuroscien...

Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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There have been many, many articles like this, and I think they have little value except the glorification of psychopaths. The term "psychopath" is fascinating to many, due to the cultural references linked to it. However psychopathy has never been clearly defined in the DSM. Maybe it's just a combination of other disorders (autism + NPD ?), maybe it's a separate disorder waiting to be discovered. Either way, nothing…

> The term "psychopath" is fascinating to many, due to the cultural references linked to it.

Given that (in popular culture, not necessarily in reality), it's also associated with cruelty and lack of empathy, this scares me a little.

Re: What It’s Like Living As a Diagnosed Psychopath

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There have been many, many articles like this, and I think they have little value except the glorification of psychopaths. The term "psychopath" is fascinating to many, due to the cultural references linked to it. However psychopathy has never been clearly defined in the DSM. Maybe it's just a combination of other disorders (autism + NPD ?), maybe it's a separate disorder waiting to be discovered. Either way, nothing…

I disagree, I think it’s interesting. But then, I’m interested in that sort of thing, I mean, I spent my entire Saturday trying to understand how the world would look if you were colourblind. So maybe I’m just weird.

What’s more interesting is the comments though, there sure seem to be a lot of tabu around this topic. I wonder why that is.

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