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Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by Naomarik »

jpangs88 wrote: post #204
Naomarik wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely agree. I have the 15inch 2015 MacBook Pro and a Surface Book 2. It took a bit trial but I now have a setup I like using WSL for development, and have brought all the MacOS keyboard shortcuts over with autohotkey. All Apple needed to do was have a single model without the touchbar and I would have purchased a newer model regardless of potential keyboard issues. Surface Book 2 is the most brilliant hardware…

Apple does have one model without a touchbar but it's thirteen inch and has lower specs. I am pretty sure it too has a T2 chip and the same keyboard flaws. It's what I'd buy if I bought a Mac but I don't think I will.

Unfortunately that one is dual core. They don't have a quad core laptop in their line up with a full keyboard.

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Post by some_account »

skywhopper wrote: post #128
saudioger wrote: post #115

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

"My next laptop will probably not be a mac." Yeah, you aren't the only one. They are seriously throwing away all the goodwill and reputation they'd built up over the past 20 years, over features no one is asking for like the touch bar and a ridiculously short key throw.

I already switched away from Apple to Linux in the last few months, and it's been awakening my passion for computers again.

Best desktop environment for people who want a very good looking desktop is Deepin, and the Manjaro Community Edition with Deepin has been rock stable, very fast and very beautiful for me during the last few months I've been using it. Highly recommended.

You don't need a MacBook anymore for things to just work and be great looking.

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Post by copperx »

trumped wrote: post #149
saudioger wrote: post #115

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

> My next laptop will probably not be a mac. maybe it shouldn't even be a laptop

It is an impopular opinion, but switching to a desktop as a daily driver, if your work and lifestyle allows it, has many benefits such as greater power, upgradeability, compatibility (e.g. Linux, FreeBSD), repairability, and relative low cost.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by shimms »

Aloha wrote: post #160
shimms wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My 2012 Mac Pro (cheese grater) can’t run Mojave since the GPU doesn’t support Metal. There are aftermarket GPUs available, but it’s becoming an ongoing chore to keep the machine running the latest macOS features (needed new wifi card to support handoff and watch unlock etc). New wifi, SSD, usb3 etc are relatively cheap. The new GPU is getting more expensive and is now actually blocking keeping up to date with major…

What wifi card is needed?

For unlock with watch an AC card with beam forming (factory was N), for handoff/continuity Bluetooth 4 (from memory, may be wrong).

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Post by some_account »

ashishb wrote: post #189
saudioger wrote: post #115

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

> My next laptop will probably not be a mac. What will it be? To be fair, I am not a fan of Macs but I haven't seen any good GNU/Linux laptops which have proper Wi-Fi, sleep, and battery usage out of the box. Do you have any recommendations?

Not sure what you mean here... You just install Linux on them and usually things work fine. Maybe your fingerprint scanner won't work, stuff like that, but otherwise it's rare to have issues.

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Post by llampx »

swaggyBoatswain wrote: post #105
cygned wrote: post #2

Holding off buying a new MacBook Pro at the moment. It’s like issues pop up every other week and I simply cannot buy a machine that is not reliable. Also looking into a Lenovo Thinkpad w/ CentOS as an alternative, even though it would be difficult. It’s a pity.

Buy a 2015 macbook pro, its the last one without any issues, superior keyboard, legacy ports as well. Smaller more compact touchpad as well The only downside is it is only thunderbolt 2, and they recently went away with external GPU support for new macOS updates. I paid $1500 for mine in practically brand new mint condition on amazon, buying a new a 2018 version was $2500 roughly for something that also had 512 GB SS…

> Buy a 2015 macbook pro, its the last one without any issues, superior keyboard, legacy ports as well. Smaller more compact touchpad as well

While I agree, I wouldn't call HDMI, USB and SD Card legacy ports. They are actively being developed and enhanced at the moment. The only thing is that they weren't invented by Apple.

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Post by miles »

SyneRyder wrote: post #208
volkl48 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main issue with a 2012 is that the hard drive cables fail constantly. But the part is cheap and even the technically clueless could replace it themselves with YouTube or ifixit.

Tell me about it! I'm using a 2012 MBP right now, and I love it, except that every 2 - 3 months the hard drive flex cable fails (except for one period where it happened to last 2 years). I'm on my 4th cable, and Apple isn't offering any remedy except "when it breaks again, bring it in again and we'll replace it for free again". At least the last time I took it in, the guy replaced it on the spot in 15 minutes while I…

Electrical tape works wonders, especially as a preventative:

MacBook Pro Hard Drive Cable Failure - Free fix and preventative maintenance - Question mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amg5w0rlwDo

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

jmull wrote: post #60
charlesism wrote: post #51

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He can tweet about errors, and also speak with an Apple rep. There's no practical nor ethical reason for him to stay silent. He didn't sign an NDA when he bought his computer.

Well, he certainly has a right to complain. But there are good reasons, both ethically and practically, not to let your frustrations get the better of you and rant publicly without first making reasonable efforts to get the problem corrected in the normal way.

Sorry, Apple never publicly admits there’s a problem unless they are getting their asses kicked with bad PR.

The history: the repeat GPU problems of the 2011 AND 2012 MBPs (which they didn’t really fix, I can attest to my once again overheating 2011 that was “fixed”), the keyboards, the third party replacement displays on iPhones, the bending iPhone 5’s. Not to mention a crapload of amateurish display bugs in iOS 10 and 11. The pwn your phone over WiFi. And the T2 BridgeOS issue has been ongoing since the iMac Pro was released.

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Post by philliphaydon »

saudioger wrote: post #115

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

> My next laptop will probably not be a mac.

The Lenovo P1 looks good. 6 core, 64gb ram, 13 hours battery.

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Post by lloeki »

jpangs88 wrote: post #204
Naomarik wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely agree. I have the 15inch 2015 MacBook Pro and a Surface Book 2. It took a bit trial but I now have a setup I like using WSL for development, and have brought all the MacOS keyboard shortcuts over with autohotkey. All Apple needed to do was have a single model without the touchbar and I would have purchased a newer model regardless of potential keyboard issues. Surface Book 2 is the most brilliant hardware…

Apple does have one model without a touchbar but it's thirteen inch and has lower specs. I am pretty sure it too has a T2 chip and the same keyboard flaws. It's what I'd buy if I bought a Mac but I don't think I will.

Since the T2 chip is mostly about the Touch Bar / Touch ID / secure enclave then no, the FN MBP doesn't have the T2 chip nor BridgeOS.

Also, the FN MBP hardware hasn't been upgraded at all like the TB ones were, so the CPU is one gen earlier and thus dual core, while keyboard flaws remain since it's a non-fixed keyboard (the one without the rubber thingies)

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