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Why Can’t Europe Do Tech?

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Re: Why Can’t Europe Do Tech?

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Maybe because most Europeans are happy with a good work/life balance, and don't constantly obsess about pipe dreams that come through for one in a million people? Obviously such obsessives exist, but I bet they are a lot less common than in countries with a, let's say, get big or go home attitude. Also, state funded safety nets means it's less urgent to have $lots saved up to survive the next crisis.

> because most Europeans are happy with a good work/life balance

That is the common trope but the truth is there is no other option. There are whole countries which are destined to end up as tourist destinations.

Re: Why Can’t Europe Do Tech?

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We do tech. There are more startups on my city (which is small) than what the article is mentioning as average.

The article assumes that "doing tech" needs to be something like a facebook or google and sell customer data like there is no tomorrow.

It's a bit different around here, we like it that way.

Re: Why Can’t Europe Do Tech?

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Is this article satire? Conflating inflated valuations, VC, and tech? I thought Bloomberg was a serious source. https://www.epo.org/news-issues/news/2017/20170307.html Europe's potential in terms of innovation and technology is also highlighted by the number of European patent applications filed relative to a country's population. Switzerland again topped the ranking in 2016, with 892 applications per million inhabit…

The problem is not the amount of innovations or technologies created in EU. The point in the article was that many of these innovations are merely regional products and it’s really hard for European companies to make them appeal to the people outside the continent.

Even that isn't true for Germany. While too much does depend on cars, there is also a lot of business to business stuff that few people know about.

Re: Why Can’t Europe Do Tech?

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Maybe because most Europeans are happy with a good work/life balance, and don't constantly obsess about pipe dreams that come through for one in a million people? Obviously such obsessives exist, but I bet they are a lot less common than in countries with a, let's say, get big or go home attitude. Also, state funded safety nets means it's less urgent to have $lots saved up to survive the next crisis.

> obsess about pipe dreams that come through for one in a million people? Speaking as someone from Europe... I don't have any first hand experience, but when browsing HN or Reddit, developer salaries above $150k seem to be the norm [1], not the "one in a million people" exception. As you may know, such salaries are unheard in Europe. It seems to me that becoming financially independent in the US is a matter of years…

> salaries are unheard in Europe

This income exists in the UK for contractors.

$150k/year is a day-rate of approximately £500/day if you take four weeks off per year. This is slightly higher than the median but reasonably achievable (more so in London).

https://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/Contract-IT-Job-Market

Re: Why Can’t Europe Do Tech?

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post #2

Maybe because most Europeans are happy with a good work/life balance, and don't constantly obsess about pipe dreams that come through for one in a million people? Obviously such obsessives exist, but I bet they are a lot less common than in countries with a, let's say, get big or go home attitude. Also, state funded safety nets means it's less urgent to have $lots saved up to survive the next crisis.

> obsess about pipe dreams that come through for one in a million people? Speaking as someone from Europe... I don't have any first hand experience, but when browsing HN or Reddit, developer salaries above $150k seem to be the norm [1], not the "one in a million people" exception. As you may know, such salaries are unheard in Europe. It seems to me that becoming financially independent in the US is a matter of years…

You can't compare a US salary with a EU salary 1:1. In the EU you get retirement money, you get health insurance, and all kind of other benefits. You need to calculate all these positive and negative and then compare. And that's a lot of work!

Re: Why Can’t Europe Do Tech?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is not the amount of innovations or technologies created in EU. The point in the article was that many of these innovations are merely regional products and it’s really hard for European companies to make them appeal to the people outside the continent.

Even that isn't true for Germany. While too much does depend on cars, there is also a lot of business to business stuff that few people know about.

This article is just a prime example of Americans living in their own bubble.

Re: Why Can’t Europe Do Tech?

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Silicon Valley veteran here. Europe does tech, but we Europeans are far more focused on scientific solutions, fintech and sustainability, long term solutions for our continent and the world at large than creating overvalued startups like "Facebook" or "Twitter" whose only sole purpose is to go IPO and generate vast sums of cash for what amounts to little more than a pasttime.

We have lots of small startups and most of those are financed with the founders' own money, in stark contrast to venture capital in the States.

Silicon Valley has such a concentration because of climate and infrastructure. Climate is mild year round and the weather great. This, coupled with venture capital and plentiful job opportunities draws more qualified people.

Unfortunately only a handful of countries in Europe, like Spain and Portugal have that kind of weather, the rest is frigid temperatures during Winters and sweltering heat during Summers. Although Spain has started to pick up momentum in tech startups, it's still at the beginning and the economy there will require at least two more decades to pick up. Then there is Switzerland, a tech startup paradise, but startup companies there are focused on solving scientific problems and fintech.

One of the major differences between Silicon Valley and the European mentality is this: we don't have enough venture capitalists and those that we do have aren't the kind that would invest in companies like "Facebook" or ones that don't have a solid business model to begin with. On top of that, the founders don't want to just get rich overnight, they want their company to be sustainable at least until they're 65 and beyond, and they want the decision making power that a startup under venture capitalists wouldn't have.

In summary: a difference of mentality, and different goals, since the standard of living in Europe is much higher, focus is on different priorities.

Re: Why Can’t Europe Do Tech?

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We do tech. There are more startups on my city (which is small) than what the article is mentioning as average. The article assumes that "doing tech" needs to be something like a facebook or google and sell customer data like there is no tomorrow. It's a bit different around here, we like it that way.

The thing is, from my experience, there are start ups and lots of them. But the quality of the work would not be considered good and in many case their stuff is nothing but an unstable crud. Their banners may be taking about data and machine learning but all they have is a simple website that struggles with 10 requests per second.

Re: Why Can’t Europe Do Tech?

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Trains are tech. Cities that are liveable are also technology. What does "tech" actually mean? Bloomberg seems to mean it to mean "Internet, shopping, and communication related stuff". There is more to life than that.
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