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The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Not just hardware, I regret every little software update I get from Apple. For example, I can't change the password of my Macbook anymore. A simple password change fucks up the whole system, and Google is full of people reporting this stuff for years.

Eh, at least that has a kinda good reason.

Stuff in keychain is encrypted by your password, so changing it means your encryption password is different from your login password.

Why that doesn't change with your login is beyond me.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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I’ve watched my 2017 thermal throttle before it became a thing.

I type on mechanical keyboard and plug the laptop into thunderbolt 3 dock to 32” 4” monitor.

I’m ok with the limitations it is a thin client survived and work fine still after a motercycle accident with some dings

I worked in the middle of the desert on the Pakistan borders and on trains across India.

I have kvm baremetal hypervisor and a nas so I rdp into win 10 vm for ops and research and have a remote docked vm that can build stuff way faster than laptop.

VPN access so tbh you have to change your workflow, people still think you should have a super high powered machine on you always when in realty my laptop is always set up without switching between desktop envs and I for the most part offload chrome and other heavy tasks to the win 10 vm

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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It's long past time for the tech world to start realizing that their anecdotal evidence is not valid. Every single tiny glitch some person with a Twitter experiences doesn't warrant a fucking XYZgate level media blitz. @Apple @timcook my phone's battery discharged a little fast today. WHY ARE YOU HIDING FROM THE TRUTH ON THIS??? #draingate In a later reply, guy cited a Apple discussion thread as his empirical proof.…

With apple hardware that "every single tiny glitch" usually turns out to be a major software/hardware fault. That leads to extended free replacements or redesigns.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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post #127

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

No one ever gets a promotion by leaving a 3-year old design intact.

Or to courage your customers into wasting $70-$400 more per laptop in dongles to retain basic functionality. Like USB-A or HDMI.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

#195

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

> My next laptop will probably not be a mac. What will it be? To be fair, I am not a fan of Macs but I haven't seen any good GNU/Linux laptops which have proper Wi-Fi, sleep, and battery usage out of the box. Do you have any recommendations?

I'm quite enjoying my System 76 laptop, have you looked at their offerings? https://system76.com/laptops

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ThinkPad P1 trackpad is centered.

It looks slightly off center to the left https://www.lenovo.com/medias/Thinkpad-p1-hero.png?context=b...

That's a nitpick. When people say off center, they mean numpad. And I can't tell from the render if it is even slightly off center. It's a render for one.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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I received one of 2018 machines a couple of weeks ago. It worked for a few hours until I tried to install the system update that fixes the CPU throttling issue, which I assume included a firmware update for the T2 chip.

The update failed, and the machine was bricked.

Apple have removed everything that isn't controlled by T2 chip. There is no power light on the machine or the charging cable. CPU temperature is the only indicator of power on/off status, as I discovered after removing a very hot machine that I thought was off from my backpack after arriving home. Despite being non-functional, it was actually powered on but spinning the CPU and/or T2 doing god knows what.

My replacement unit arrives tomorrow. Wish me luck.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Holding off buying a new MacBook Pro at the moment. It’s like issues pop up every other week and I simply cannot buy a machine that is not reliable. Also looking into a Lenovo Thinkpad w/ CentOS as an alternative, even though it would be difficult. It’s a pity.

Buy a 2015 macbook pro, its the last one without any issues, superior keyboard, legacy ports as well. Smaller more compact touchpad as well The only downside is it is only thunderbolt 2, and they recently went away with external GPU support for new macOS updates. I paid $1500 for mine in practically brand new mint condition on amazon, buying a new a 2018 version was $2500 roughly for something that also had 512 GB SS…

> Smaller more compact touchpad as well

How is that a benefit? I love the new big touchpad on latest macbooks, it works perfectly

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Holding off buying a new MacBook Pro at the moment. It’s like issues pop up every other week and I simply cannot buy a machine that is not reliable. Also looking into a Lenovo Thinkpad w/ CentOS as an alternative, even though it would be difficult. It’s a pity.

Buy a 2015 macbook pro, its the last one without any issues, superior keyboard, legacy ports as well. Smaller more compact touchpad as well The only downside is it is only thunderbolt 2, and they recently went away with external GPU support for new macOS updates. I paid $1500 for mine in practically brand new mint condition on amazon, buying a new a 2018 version was $2500 roughly for something that also had 512 GB SS…

> Also, programming environment is just so much nicer IMO on mac.

Really? I had a Mac for a few years, but I found that I didn't like the environment as much as either Windows or Linux. A lot of programming environments work best on a Linux-like environment and don't do so well on something BSD-like (such as MacOS). There's a lot of open source software that only works on Windows and Linux, too... MacOS has such a small market share that many open source developers just ignore it.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"My next laptop will probably not be a mac." Yeah, you aren't the only one. They are seriously throwing away all the goodwill and reputation they'd built up over the past 20 years, over features no one is asking for like the touch bar and a ridiculously short key throw.

Have to pile on here. I have a 2017 and use it mostly with an eternal keyboard and monitors but I am shocked when I use the built in keyboard. It is really bad to type on -- all for what? A few fractions of an inch in thickness? I had a first gen MacBook 12 and was ok with the horrible keyboard given its purpose of maximum portability. But on a desktop replacement / primary machine? What the hell were they thinking?…

It's anecdotal, but Linux on my ThinkPad gives:

- Rock solid stability, uptimes of months (until I reboot to upgrade the kernel). I've never had a kernel panic in over a decade of use.

- No problems with WiFi, sleep, printing or monitor hotplugging (dual wide-screen, displayport MST).

Linux is tweaked, optimised and hardened by so many people and organisations, it is seriously fast and robust. The various desktop GUIs available have also matured a lot over the last ten years.

For any developer of server-side software (which likely runs on Linux), it simply makes more sense to develop on a Linux desktop.

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