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Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by volkl48 »

radley wrote: post #120
saudioger wrote: post #115

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

I'm running a mid 2012 i7 MBP (bought at release) w/ 16GB & a 2TB SSD (recently upgraded from a 1TB SSD). I also have a keyboard overlay as a precaution, since I've had to replace keyboards on previous Macs due to spills or sloppy cleaning. My 2012 is decent, but 2013 - 1015 MBPs are the best.

The main issue with a 2012 is that the hard drive cables fail constantly. But the part is cheap and even the technically clueless could replace it themselves with YouTube or ifixit.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by StudentStuff »

beefield wrote: post #171
marricks wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Other manufacturers have onsite repair” who does that nowadays and how accessible are their stores? I’ve had friends with HP, Dell, etc, laptops ship them off and wait a week to hear what is wrong and give them an estimate. And they usually had to ship it themselves. I had an Apple repair and it took less than a week with virtual no wait right by my house. Say what you will about their keyboard problems but people w…

> “Other manufacturers have onsite repair” who does that nowadays and how accessible are their stores? At least Lenovo offers that in some of their models, you may be charged extra, though, if you want onsite warranty, may depend on market. This summer my space bar started to misbehave, created a ticket on Lenovo site, next day a guy arrived to my home and spend about half an hour to disassemble my laptop and replace…

Heads up Lenovo lets you take it to any of the certified independent repair shops for warranty work. I've had numerous things done under warranty, and I have a couple repair shops to choose from in Seattle!

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by secabeen »

iamleppert wrote: post #157

Does anyone have a good alternative to Mac? My next laptop definitely will not be a mac, mostly I’m mad about the whole external GPU thunderbolt stuff. And no longer willing to pay Apple’s Mac tax anymore.

If money is no object, the soon to ship Thinkpad P1 looks pretty great.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by beenBoutIT »

skywhopper wrote: post #128
saudioger wrote: post #115

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

"My next laptop will probably not be a mac." Yeah, you aren't the only one. They are seriously throwing away all the goodwill and reputation they'd built up over the past 20 years, over features no one is asking for like the touch bar and a ridiculously short key throw.

Apple without Steve Jobs is your favorite restaurant with new management. You want it to be the same so you try not to notice that it's gone to shit, but eventually you realize that the guy running the place was what made it so good.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by [deleted] »

marricks wrote: post #163
foepys wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how that is a pleasant experience. Other manufacturers of laptops in that price range will give you 3 years on-site support where they will send out a technician to replace as much as possible in front of you so you can keep working. Often they will even be able to replace the logic board within half an hour. Hell, my Thinkpad T420 had complete manufacturer created instructions on how to replace the displ…

“Other manufacturers have onsite repair” who does that nowadays and how accessible are their stores? I’ve had friends with HP, Dell, etc, laptops ship them off and wait a week to hear what is wrong and give them an estimate. And they usually had to ship it themselves. I had an Apple repair and it took less than a week with virtual no wait right by my house. Say what you will about their keyboard problems but people w…

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Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by w1nt3rmu4e »

skywhopper wrote: post #128
saudioger wrote: post #115

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

"My next laptop will probably not be a mac." Yeah, you aren't the only one. They are seriously throwing away all the goodwill and reputation they'd built up over the past 20 years, over features no one is asking for like the touch bar and a ridiculously short key throw.

Have to pile on here.

I have a 2017 and use it mostly with an eternal keyboard and monitors but I am shocked when I use the built in keyboard. It is really bad to type on -- all for what? A few fractions of an inch in thickness?

I had a first gen MacBook 12 and was ok with the horrible keyboard given its purpose of maximum portability. But on a desktop replacement / primary machine? What the hell were they thinking?

On this keyboard, 50% of the time when I type a single quote I hit the return key. Makes programming comically bad. It's just a couple of steps off typing on a touch screen at this point. (Which, I fear, is their endgame.)

Other joys of my 2017 (15, maxed out except for the absurdly expensive second TB of SSD):

1. (Un)plugging external monitors will crash the window server

2. Kernel panics -- usually related to IB in Xcode.

3. Unresponsive power key

4. Fingerprint reader that fails without any feedback

5. Serious hacking required to run external monitors in HiDPI mode

6. No more touch typing for the media keys, escape key

I'm professionally tied into the Apple ecosystem to a degree that it would be hard for me to leave, but I'm really unhappy with Apple these days. They seem to live in a fantasy world of unnecessary aesthetic goals and are alienating the small but extremely vocal community that have championed their products.

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Post by cookiecaper »

wild_preference wrote: post #139
saudioger wrote: post #115

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

I bought my 2017 MBP last November and accumulated a whopping 7 loose keycaps that would come off with my fingers as I typed. It was so unusable that I had to use my 2013 Air to get work done. I returned to the States 2 weeks ago and took my MBP into an Apple store. The one nice thing I can say was that I was able to book an appointment online, drop my MBP off at the store, and 2 days later my repaired laptop arrived…

I recently got a 2017 MBP for work, and yeah, whenever I have to type on it for more than a few minutes, I am reaching for my external keyboard. I bought a larger backpack and a separate USB-C hub just so I can carry my keyboard around with the laptop, because it is so inefficient and annoying to type on this thing.

Prior to this, I haven't seriously used an MBP since my '07-ish MBP died, but I can say there were no such issues with that.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by ashishb »

saudioger wrote: post #115

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

> My next laptop will probably not be a mac.

What will it be? To be fair, I am not a fan of Macs but I haven't seen any good GNU/Linux laptops which have proper Wi-Fi, sleep, and battery usage out of the box. Do you have any recommendations?

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by rl3 »

alrs wrote: post #132
therein wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't ever go back to CentOS/RHEL or Debian/Ubuntu for my personal machine after having seen the flexibility that Arch provides. Don't get me wrong, technically you can make Ubuntu just as flexible but you have to try to configure it that way. All the conveniences they brought into these distros for simple package management actually sets you up for failure when you are doing larger upgrades. Not to mention that th…

You're never going to run Arch in production, so developing against "current" software means "hire a team of sysadmins to package all of these future-versions in to the conservative distro that we have in prod". With luck it will be less than $1M/yr. This is why people don't use homebrew anymore, either. If you're running a Mac you dev in a Docker container that reflects your production environment.

I think you're making assumptions here. GP said that Arch allows them to be current in the code they run.

That doesn't mean they're developing against Arch.

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