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Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awaited nod from FDA

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Re: Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awaited nod from FDA

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> If someone can find a way to make a product near-indistinguishable from meat without raising and killing animals, it would be a massive victory for the environment (meat production is CO2-intensive), for the cause of bringing decent food to poor people, and for reducing animal suffering. I'm all for reducing animal suffering (especially from CAFOs) but replacing meat with plants isn't necessarily a victory for the…

What do you think the animals are being fed exactly...?

Cattle naturally eat grass, in a symbiotic relationship with the grasslands.

Joel Salatin, legendary proprietor of Polyface Farms, considers himself a "grass farmer". He maintains the grassland, which the cattle graze on and perform several important functions. Not only does grazing stimulate root growth, but the cow digests cellulose (or technically, the bacteria in her rumen ferment it) and emits fertilizer, feeding the plants ever hungry for more nitrogen and predigested nutrients. Grass uniquely grows from its base instead of its tips, so the cows eating and grazing on grass doesn't kill the plant, but rather the opposite.

Contrast with other plants with thorns or spines or chemical deterrents (such as coffee, caffeine originally a pesticide generated by the plant to deter predators, now cultivated by humans as a stimulant) or anti-nutrients or toxins. Grass has none of these. Lierre Keith explains in her usually floral prose how grasses want to be grazed, metaphorically: the grass created the cows (a similar point can be made about human domestication and lactose tolerance gene).

Of course, concentrated animal feed operations additionally feed cattle with grains. Grains are a recent invention on the evolutionary timescale: they didn't exist until humans domesticated annual grasses about 12,000 years ago, whereas the progenitors of the domestic cow, the aurochs, were around more than 2 million years ago. Cattle aren't adapted for grain, upsetting the delicate balance bacterial balance of their rumen, causing sickness. Poultry fed too much grain will develop fatty liver. So why do it?

Grains are cheap, very cheap. An ideal commodity, storable and portable. A dense organic form of energy, most likely converted from fossil fuel fertilizer thanks to Fritz Haber. And they cause explosive growth in animals, dramatically increasing both meat and milk production. The economic incentives are there.

That doesn't mean it is a good idea, or is sustainable or ecologically wise or nutritionally healthy.

Fortunately, grassfed grass-finished pastured beef is getting easier and easier to find. Thousands of years ago, used to be the only kind there was, now we are coming back full circle.

Re: Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awaited nod from FDA

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I don't think it's controversial to presume that most people understand blood to be the opaque, dark red, viscous liquid that is pumped through the circulatory system. That fluid is very different from the thin, watery, red-tinged, translucent liquid that might be found in muscle tissue.

Actually, the stuff found in muscle is called either interstitial fluid or lymph. It is exactly the same thing as blood, minus the blood cells. It comes from the blood and is eventually returned back to the blood.

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Re: Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awaited nod from FDA

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Did you miss out on this part of the article? "There are more than 10,000 chemicals added directly or indirectly to foods in the US and food makers use an estimated 1,000 without notifying the FDA. In a policy statement as recent as Monday, July 23, the American Academy of Pediatrics noted that of the nearly 4,000 additives inventoried by the FDA, only about 263 had reproductive toxicology data, and developmental tox…

> Better make sure those "tried and true" substitutes don't use any of those... This is precisely why I, for one, have recently chosen to begin eating real meat after 10+ years of veganism. Who wants to be a lab rat in some food scientist's experiment? How many of the Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) substances will turn out to be anything but? Nassim Nicholas Taleb writes in his books including _Antifragile_ how…

This is the maximalist approach. However, you probably do lots of other things which have not been tested by history eg using mobile phones.

Also bear in my mind the way which our ancestors ate meat is very different to how we do it, and there is much evidence that red meat consumption is bad for your health in the modern context with our long lifespans.

To be honest, it is very confusing to try and work out what constitutes a healthy diet these days.

Re: Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awaited nod from FDA

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's controversial to presume that most people understand blood to be the opaque, dark red, viscous liquid that is pumped through the circulatory system. That fluid is very different from the thin, watery, red-tinged, translucent liquid that might be found in muscle tissue.

Actually, the stuff found in muscle is called either interstitial fluid or lymph. It is exactly the same thing as blood, minus the blood cells. It comes from the blood and is eventually returned back to the blood.

>It is exactly the same thing as blood, minus the blood cells.

This is like saying that tea is exactly the same as water, minus the tea. I'm not sure what your point is.

Re: Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awaited nod from FDA

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post #94

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Actually, the stuff found in muscle is called either interstitial fluid or lymph. It is exactly the same thing as blood, minus the blood cells. It comes from the blood and is eventually returned back to the blood.

>It is exactly the same thing as blood, minus the blood cells. This is like saying that tea is exactly the same as water, minus the tea. I'm not sure what your point is.

Since most people talk about meat bleeding, I don't really think most people make a big distinction between the two things to begin with. And it is blood, minus some of the components. The fluid portion is identical.

Re: Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awaited nod from FDA

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I ate a couple of the Impossible Sliders from White Castle a couple of months ago. They definitely smell and taste more beef-like than any other plant-based burger.

I had read about their effort to produce heme in the lab. This article [1] is interesting as it identifies that Impossible Foods has engineered the methylotrophic yeast, Pichia Pastoris [2], to produce Soy Leghemoglobin Protein.

1. http://journals.sagepub.com/eprint/3FNzWrRdPanXheUdTigx/full

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pichia_pastoris

Re: Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awaited nod from FDA

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post #94

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>It is exactly the same thing as blood, minus the blood cells. This is like saying that tea is exactly the same as water, minus the tea. I'm not sure what your point is.

Since most people talk about meat bleeding , I don't really think most people make a big distinction between the two things to begin with. And it is blood, minus some of the components. The fluid portion is identical.

>I don't really think most people make a big distinction between the two things to begin with.

No kidding, that is precisely what I'm arguing about.

>And it is blood, minus some of the components.

I still don't understand your point. It is _not_ blood. Water is the same thing as chicken noodle soup, minus some components. Water is not the same thing as chicken noodle soup.

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post #97

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Since most people talk about meat bleeding , I don't really think most people make a big distinction between the two things to begin with. And it is blood, minus some of the components. The fluid portion is identical.

>I don't really think most people make a big distinction between the two things to begin with. No kidding, that is precisely what I'm arguing about. >And it is blood, minus some of the components. I still don't understand your point. It is _not_ blood. Water is the same thing as chicken noodle soup, minus some components. Water is not the same thing as chicken noodle soup.

From your original comment:

I don't think it's controversial to presume that most people understand

If you want to say that you personally see a huge distinction here, that's fine. But you are claiming to describe what most people think, and I think you are wrong.

I've learned a lot about the body over the years. I found it interesting to know that there isn't really some clear cut, black and white distinction between various fluids in the body. They actually have substantial overlap and interplay.

It's just something I found interesting and most people seem to not know it.

Have a great day. If that doesn't clear this up, then it's really not worth arguing further.

Re: Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awaited nod from FDA

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If I don't eat meat for a couple days, I start feeling tired and hungry all the time. So for me the problem is not the taste of the meat, but rather how it makes my body functional.

I haven't tried the Impossible Burger. Does it solve this problem?

Re: Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awaited nod from FDA

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That's true, but when you are talking about meat, it's usually safe to assume 'bleed' means to 'bleed blood'.

When people refer to a “bloody steak”, they aren’t implying the red liquid is actually blood.

I’ve long encountered most people believing it is actual blood.
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