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Re: Criticisms of EU plans for copyright censorship machines removed from Google

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Post by bskap » Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 6:52 PM UTC

pygy_ wrote: post #7

mavhc wrote: post #4

https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/16954705 err, how is this even legal, doesn't DMCA have provisions for punishing false claims?

Among the press articles and misc pages lies https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/useful-links/eu-l... , a page from the European Commission web site that sports tiny logos from the companies they link to. Isn't that considered fair use?

The problem is with the incentives: if the recipient of a DMCA request doesn't immediately take down the target, they become liable for any copyright infringement.

While Google would probably win if it came down to a lawsuit, the two options they have are to take it down and let the site operator dispute it, or go to court to defend the actions of a group they're unaffiliated with. The obvious choice for pretty much any group is to take it down.

Re: Criticisms of EU plans for copyright censorship machines removed from Google

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Post by antidesitter » Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 7:09 PM UTC

imhoguy wrote: post #11

This is sad state of matters that I have to fallback more often to DuckDuckGo and Russian Yandex to discover public information which is censored by Google and big Co-s. Forbidden bits? (I know Yandex may be in the other side of censorship spectrum too). Isn't it a high time for a decentralized federated search-engine?

> Isn't it a high time for a decentralized federated search-engine?

Check out YaCy: https://yacy.net/en/index.html

Re: Criticisms of EU plans for copyright censorship machines removed from Google

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Post by 00__00 » Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 10:11 PM UTC

FALSE ALARM!!!! The Blog post is live, indexed and searchable - see below.

Tested on http://Google.com / .de / .co.uk

E.g: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=qpN4W_vLDcPgkgXe_... … No need to #SaveYourInternet it's a Red Herring, with no #censorshipmachines here or #uploadfilters either.

Re: Criticisms of EU plans for copyright censorship machines removed from Google

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Post by no_identd » Sun, Aug 19, 2018, 2:21 AM UTC

00__00 wrote: post #33

FALSE ALARM!!!! The Blog post is live, indexed and searchable - see below. Tested on http://Google.com / .de / .co.uk E.g: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=qpN4W_vLDcPgkgXe_... … No need to #SaveYourInternet it's a Red Herring, with no #censorshipmachines here or #uploadfilters either.

From TFA:

>After the EFF uncovered further fraudulent removals by Topple Track and TorrentFreak covered the story, Google reportedly terminated its trusted partnership with the company. But still, as of this writing, my blog post remains unlisted on Google Search. Incredibly, not even when a company is exposed for issuing abusive takedowns are the websites they’ve previously ordered removed reinstated. Each individual author must actively put up a fight to restore the findability of their free speech. (Update: The page seems to be back in the Google index now.)

>(Update: The page seems to be back in the Google index now.)

So, no, not "FALSE ALARM", but you, ironically, did in fact just cry wolf, and you in fact insinuated this as a "Red Herring", this, combined with your strangely inappropriate use of hashtags and your suspiciously monotonous submission & comment history makes me suspect that you have an undisclosed agenda.

Are you Per Strömbäck, or in any other way associated with netopia.eu?

If (n)either [doesn't really matter, after all], please stop making false claims, it seems rather ironic.

Re: Criticisms of EU plans for copyright censorship machines removed from Google

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Post by no_identd » Sun, Aug 19, 2018, 2:32 AM UTC

no_identd wrote: post #34

00__00 wrote: post #33

FALSE ALARM!!!! The Blog post is live, indexed and searchable - see below. Tested on http://Google.com / .de / .co.uk E.g: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=qpN4W_vLDcPgkgXe_... … No need to #SaveYourInternet it's a Red Herring, with no #censorshipmachines here or #uploadfilters either.

From TFA: >After the EFF uncovered further fraudulent removals by Topple Track and TorrentFreak covered the story, Google reportedly terminated its trusted partnership with the company. But still, as of this writing, my blog post remains unlisted on Google Search. Incredibly, not even when a company is exposed for issuing abusive takedowns are the websites they’ve previously ordered removed reinstated. Each individua…

Oh and, perhaps we should mention who funds Netopia.eu:

* European Publishers Council

* Federation of European Publishers / Fédération des Éditeurs européens

* International Federation of Film Producers Associations

* International Federation of the Phonographic Industry

* International Union of Cinemas

* International Video Federation

* ISFE – Representing the European Videogame Industry

* Motion Picture Association

* Premier League

* UNI MEI