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HTC Willfully Violates the GPL in T-Mobile's New G2 Android Phone

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Re: HTC Willfully Violates the GPL in T-Mobile's New G2 Android Phone

#11

Call them, and demand that your complaint be escalated. Call back daily until this is fixed. Unlike emails which can be disregarded phone calls cost money to process. This means that the FOSS community can impose a financial cost on non-compliance without going through the courts. I just got off the phone to HTC Australia, and apparently they'll be getting in touch. If everyone did that ...

Just bring legal action or ask the SLFC to investigate.

Re: HTC Willfully Violates the GPL in T-Mobile's New G2 Android Phone

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post #7

What I don't understand is why phone manufactures are even worried about rooting. If it's about service and warranty, they can simply make it clear that replacing the OS voids the warranty and they won't provide service for the phone. Besides warranty and service costs, what else are they so worried about that they feel it necessary to add these protection measures? Surely the percent of customers that root/mod a pho…

I guess it's because virus writers also to try to root the devices to install rootkits. I'm quite in favor of requiring hardware mods (although I'd prefer a jumper...) to modify the OS.

But they can do that now already, just like the regular phone-rooting hackers.

Re: HTC Willfully Violates the GPL in T-Mobile's New G2 Android Phone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it's because virus writers also to try to root the devices to install rootkits. I'm quite in favor of requiring hardware mods (although I'd prefer a jumper...) to modify the OS.

But they can do that now already, just like the regular phone-rooting hackers.

The article mentioned that the new version needed hardware hacking to root. Maybe at one point a software hack will be found, I don't know. I'm just saying that there is a legitimate reason to lock down the software, especially for a mass market product like a phone.

Re: HTC Willfully Violates the GPL in T-Mobile's New G2 Android Phone

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post #7

What I don't understand is why phone manufactures are even worried about rooting. If it's about service and warranty, they can simply make it clear that replacing the OS voids the warranty and they won't provide service for the phone. Besides warranty and service costs, what else are they so worried about that they feel it necessary to add these protection measures? Surely the percent of customers that root/mod a pho…

Most people preached the benefits of rooting make a very compelling case. And often this case is to very dumb people. Dumb people like to complain. Loudly.

Remember from their perspective, 99% of all the feedback they get back (that they don't have to pay for) is negative. Therefore, they are solely concentrated on reducing that negative feedback by preventing failure in the first place. They view these protections as a way of doing that. It reduces the need for a larger support department and therefore their bottom line.

Of course, this ignores the fact that by making the methods for circumventing these protections more complex, they are creating a more error-prone process, and therefore a large support volume. But whatever, I didn't say it had to make sense.

Re: HTC Willfully Violates the GPL in T-Mobile's New G2 Android Phone

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post #7

What I don't understand is why phone manufactures are even worried about rooting. If it's about service and warranty, they can simply make it clear that replacing the OS voids the warranty and they won't provide service for the phone. Besides warranty and service costs, what else are they so worried about that they feel it necessary to add these protection measures? Surely the percent of customers that root/mod a pho…

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Re: HTC Willfully Violates the GPL in T-Mobile's New G2 Android Phone

#16
post #7

What I don't understand is why phone manufactures are even worried about rooting. If it's about service and warranty, they can simply make it clear that replacing the OS voids the warranty and they won't provide service for the phone. Besides warranty and service costs, what else are they so worried about that they feel it necessary to add these protection measures? Surely the percent of customers that root/mod a pho…

Carrier control, most likely. I'm sure HTC are being lobbied hard by carriers who want to be able to use artificial restrictions to segment their offerings.

Re: HTC Willfully Violates the GPL in T-Mobile's New G2 Android Phone

#17

Call them, and demand that your complaint be escalated. Call back daily until this is fixed. Unlike emails which can be disregarded phone calls cost money to process. This means that the FOSS community can impose a financial cost on non-compliance without going through the courts. I just got off the phone to HTC Australia, and apparently they'll be getting in touch. If everyone did that ...

Just bring legal action or ask the SLFC to investigate.

In the UK at least you are looked on far more favourably in the event that something does go to court if you have a paper trail of having made reasonable efforts to find a solution prior to going the legal route.

Re: HTC Willfully Violates the GPL in T-Mobile's New G2 Android Phone

#18

Call them, and demand that your complaint be escalated. Call back daily until this is fixed. Unlike emails which can be disregarded phone calls cost money to process. This means that the FOSS community can impose a financial cost on non-compliance without going through the courts. I just got off the phone to HTC Australia, and apparently they'll be getting in touch. If everyone did that ...

Just bring legal action or ask the SLFC to investigate.

"Just bring legal action" - sadly, for most people, 'just bringing legal action' is not quite as simple as you make it sound. Not least in terms of expense.

Re: HTC Willfully Violates the GPL in T-Mobile's New G2 Android Phone

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post #6

Which is surprising how? Android's aim has always been to be open for manufacturers and providers. The user-wise openness is an implementation detail and may or may not be there. And the more time passes, the better manufacturers and carriers get acquainted with the platform, the least common Android devices will be open as far as the user is concerned.

> The user-wise openness is an implementation detail and may or may not be there.

This is not an implementation detail for the GPL.

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