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Self-Driving Car Makers Prepare to Blame “Jaywalkers”

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Post by google_censors »

chopin wrote: post #5
elmerfud wrote: post #2

While I appreciate how the article brings up the history of the use of roads, times do change. Despite their dire last sentence, humans have always altered their behavior for the sake of their created machines. This is a trade-off with progress. This is why we have rules to allow shared use of the road. Automated cars are simply a new addition to this. Travel to countries where there are no enforced road rules and se…

It is not a change in behaviour what is sought but a change in accountability. Even today you are expected to behave predictable. However it is not punishable by death today. Here in Germany you are always civilly accountable to a great deal when colliding with a weaker obstacle because the mere existence of a car puts a greater risk on pedestrians.

Here in the US negligence is the biggest factor in accountability. In most cases if the driver wasn't negligent but the pedestrian was (by illegally jaywalking), then there's no criminal or civil consequences.

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Post by jobigoud »

21 wrote: post #8

In many European cities it's quite common for pedestrians to pass on red (which is considered more of a warning), even in front of cop cars. I've also seen cops on foot cross the street on red. And I've seen quite a number cross the street randomly among traffic, some of them barely able to move (old, ...)

In France if there is a collision between a car and a pedestrian the car is always at fault unless it can be proved the pedestrian was committing suicide.

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Post by jobigoud »

mtgx wrote: post #3

> “What we tell people is, ‘Please be lawful and please be considerate,’” Andrew Ng, a machine learning researcher whose venture fund invests in driverless startups, told Bloomberg. This is like web developers criticizing users for using their website "wrong". Unless Andrew Ng has found a way to eliminate all crime on Earth, then I sure hope the startups he's investing in don't actually count on "people being lawful"…

Jaywalking is not illegal in most places. Relying on this would severely restrict the market of autonomous cars.

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Post by rhencke »

j88439h84 wrote: post #4

This article says filed under "promoted". Does that mean some external entity paid for it? Who wants to promote this?

It's likely just the mechanism used for selecting what stores are featured on the front page of the site.

Note that every story directly featured on https://www.streetsblog.org/ is filed under "promoted".

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Post by mayamatrix »

jobigoud wrote: post #12
21 wrote: post #8

In many European cities it's quite common for pedestrians to pass on red (which is considered more of a warning), even in front of cop cars. I've also seen cops on foot cross the street on red. And I've seen quite a number cross the street randomly among traffic, some of them barely able to move (old, ...)

In France if there is a collision between a car and a pedestrian the car is always at fault unless it can be proved the pedestrian was committing suicide.

That's the way to do it.

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Post by strathmeyer »

maxxxxx wrote: post #15

The car lobby already created "jaywalking" https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history . Let's hope we don't end up with an even more pedestrian hostile world than what we have already.

Part of living in a city is going to have to be to learn to not walk in front of vehicles.

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Post by orf »

strathmeyer wrote: post #17
maxxxxx wrote: post #15

The car lobby already created "jaywalking" https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history . Let's hope we don't end up with an even more pedestrian hostile world than what we have already.

Part of living in a city is going to have to be to learn to not walk in front of vehicles.

I manage just fine in Europe and cross wherever is convenient, just like everyone else (except the Germans!). The concept of jaywalking is pretty alien to most of the world.

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Post by dixie_land »

strathmeyer wrote: post #17
maxxxxx wrote: post #15

The car lobby already created "jaywalking" https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history . Let's hope we don't end up with an even more pedestrian hostile world than what we have already.

Part of living in a city is going to have to be to learn to not walk in front of vehicles.

Having lived in NYC briefly I learned the exact opposite.

Also I was taught to hold up a particular finger while crossing a redlight as a courtesy to the drivers.

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Post by happytoexplain »

strathmeyer wrote: post #17
maxxxxx wrote: post #15

The car lobby already created "jaywalking" https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history . Let's hope we don't end up with an even more pedestrian hostile world than what we have already.

Part of living in a city is going to have to be to learn to not walk in front of vehicles.

This is the polar opposite of my experience in NYC.
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