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Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by curuinor »

code_potato wrote: post #267
curuinor wrote: post #264

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In my experience, bachelor's in CS counts more than master's in CS, which in turn of course counts more than bootcamp. It's just time spent in front of a computer. I hope your pay and total comp is actually competitive, in which case you're grousing over something you could fix in a jiffy.

Why is a bachelors degree more worth than a masters?

Time in front of a computer. Many master's programs are actually less rigorous, too. The filtering done for the better colleges is worse: Stanford and CMU, in particular, are incredibly easier to get into for a master's than a bachelor's.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by virgilp »

mohsen1 wrote: post #248
ilaksh wrote: post #219

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He has severe dementia unfortunately. I just thought it might be interesting to people to see what technologies were in use at those times. My dad loves to play catch with his stuffed doggie (or whatever you will throw to him) but activities more complicated than that are not feasible.

If people didn't realize, your dad is 92! I wish my dad lives that long, I love to take care of him when he's vulnerable. Just to return the favor a little bit.

Better take care of him now, both of you will appreciate it much better. Dementia is not fun at all, for any of the involved parties.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by curuinor »

account2 wrote: post #280
curuinor wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, bachelor's in CS counts more than master's in CS, which in turn of course counts more than bootcamp. It's just time spent in front of a computer. I hope your pay and total comp is actually competitive, in which case you're grousing over something you could fix in a jiffy.

>In my experience, bachelor's in CS counts more than master's in CS This discounts people that transition to CS from another field like mathematics, chemistry, physics, etc. Just because you didn't major in CS as an undergraduate doesn't mean you can't program. That is a bit of gatekeeping. Plus, I'd argue someone from a field like mathematics and physics might be more suited to do certain types of programming jobs d…

But they don't have as much experience programming?

Sure, there's fields where the domain knowledge is prerequisite to do anything at all, but that doesn't make you a better programmer for it.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by YZF »

ransom1538 wrote: post #271
throwaway0255 wrote: post #247

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I hate the state of tech interviews with a passion but I have to reluctantly agree. When I was involved in hiring I was astonished at how difficult it was to even find a person who was both worth interviewing and willing to interview, and resumes were basically worthless at helping you make that determination. Resume did not matter at all. The hiring pool is flooded with a thousand bootcampers, 1 in 40 can actually p…

Good people are all hired. So you are looking through a pool of people that couldn’t get hired in the hottest market ever. I would pause. Find someone whose work you really appreciate and hyper focus on their network and poach. Stop using recruiters or spam networks and put in the actual time.

This is what Joel Spolsky says: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/09/06/finding-great-deve...

I think the reality is more nuanced. There is some fraction of good people who are not happy where they are for whatever reason. They are bored. They want to make more money. They want to move to a different country/location. If you are a great place to work with the right kind of challenges and you do the right PR some of these good people will find you. Obviously they'll also go through their contacts who know they are good and will be happy to hire or help them. Some companies looking for great people are unable to recognize them, especially startups founded by inexperienced people, as they tend to have little clue of what makes good software. Others may accept a very large false negative rate due to some religious beliefs :) You may need to take some risks to find "your" good developers.

If you are a sucky workplace working on boring stuff you're not gonna find any good people whatever you do unless you're incredibly lucky, e.g. some guy that lives next door and likes the commute. The sucky workplace is under people's control (if they realize it) and the boring can also to some extent be made more interesting.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by account2 »

curuinor wrote: post #283
account2 wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>In my experience, bachelor's in CS counts more than master's in CS This discounts people that transition to CS from another field like mathematics, chemistry, physics, etc. Just because you didn't major in CS as an undergraduate doesn't mean you can't program. That is a bit of gatekeeping. Plus, I'd argue someone from a field like mathematics and physics might be more suited to do certain types of programming jobs d…

But they don't have as much experience programming? Sure, there's fields where the domain knowledge is prerequisite to do anything at all, but that doesn't make you a better programmer for it.

>But they don't have as much experience programming?

Then by that metric you don't even need a degree and your initial point of a BS > Masters > Bootcamp is nullified by the self-taught programmer that has programmed longer than anyone else in that group that happens to apply for your position. But that doesn't necessarily mean they will be a better programmer in the long term.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by otras »

miles wrote: post #269
otras wrote: post #260

If anyone's interested, I made this resume in LaTeX. I might have to try this out as my next resume template! https://www.sharelatex.com/read/cqscsqsqmskm

Beautifully done! What do you use for writing in LaTeX, if I may ask?

Usually ShareLaTeX and a healthy amount of Googling! I also try to find a similar document I can work off of. In this case, I had already done similar column-business for my actual resume, which definitely helped.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by adventured »

metaphor wrote: post #55

If I lived through 3 wars and had a strong career alignment with major defense contractors, I suppose I'd be inclined to disclose health and height out of habit...but was this generally expected on a resume back in the 80s?

Here's the resume of Bill Gates from 1973 (lists height and weight) -

https://i.imgur.com/btFE99N.jpg

And Paul Allen's -

https://i.imgur.com/0pDSVBS.jpg

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by curuinor »

account2 wrote: post #285
curuinor wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they don't have as much experience programming? Sure, there's fields where the domain knowledge is prerequisite to do anything at all, but that doesn't make you a better programmer for it.

>But they don't have as much experience programming? Then by that metric you don't even need a degree and your initial point of a BS > Masters > Bootcamp is nullified by the self-taught programmer that has programmed longer than anyone else in that group that happens to apply for your position. But that doesn't necessarily mean they will be a better programmer in the long term.

Self-taught is better when they have more good experience, yes.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by [deleted] »

Pokepokalypse wrote: post #270
throwaway0255 wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate the state of tech interviews with a passion but I have to reluctantly agree. When I was involved in hiring I was astonished at how difficult it was to even find a person who was both worth interviewing and willing to interview, and resumes were basically worthless at helping you make that determination. Resume did not matter at all. The hiring pool is flooded with a thousand bootcampers, 1 in 40 can actually p…

Yeah; well, you can distinguish me from the poseurs, by asking for my professional references. Call them. They will convey the authenticity of my 25 year work history. Or don't, and run my resume through a buzzword search program, instead. Yeah. That will work. Good luck with that.

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