Is there something about English-speaking countries that make them behave like dicks when it comes to immigration?
Canada seems to be the exception to the rule. I heard Australia was similar but they're clamping down now.
What happens if you mistakenly apply for British citizenship?
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
No doubt there are terrible leaders, but experience in the middle east has shown it's no just terrible leaders standing in the way of prosperity.
Care to give examples of good leaders in the Middle East? Keep in mind that the only countries in MENA that currently have a democratically elected leader are Tunisia and Lebanon.
What about Israel?
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#83What a weird submission title ("Mistakenly apply for British citizenship instead of indefinite leave to remain"). The original title ("What happens if you mistakenly apply for British citizenship instead of indefinite leave to remain?") is probably too long for HN, but I'd rather shorten it to: "What happens if you mistakenly apply for British citizenship?"
The context is important: mistakenly applying for citizenship in what circumstances, as opposed to what?
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Care to give examples of good leaders in the Middle East? Keep in mind that the only countries in MENA that currently have a democratically elected leader are Tunisia and Lebanon.
It may be even more fundamental: Good leaders emerge from a good democracy. Maybe what the Middle East needs is to copy from the constitutions of successful democracies. Even adopting just our First Amendment would be a decent start.
As long as the oil status quo is maintained, I don't see this happening. Thankfully those days seem to be quickly disappearing.
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#85I speak as an immigrant. I see a lot of comments not being too kind to people who aren't welcoming of immigrants. As a person, I actually do understand. Not everyone is going to like me. As an African I do wish some of this energy would be directed to the African leaders that make their countries so terrible that someone feels it is better to jump on a rickety boat in search of a better life. These African "leaders"…
>These African "leaders" send their kids to school in the west, they go to the west when sick.
This is common among all oligarchs, and a great idea for sanctions. Want to rob your country blind and blow out your liver on fine drink? Congrats - you're barred from entry. Feel free to use the hospital in your home country like the rest of the poor souls you've abused.
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#86I don’t think the government did anything wrong; The rules aren’t meant to be bent, and if Lucas made a mistake in filing the wrong paperwork, it absolutely makes sense for the consequences to follow. In these serious legal matters, you need to seek counsel. This article attempts to paint a picture of the poor child, but the law was clear, and any emotional appeal should be invalid.
I don't know how to communicate this, or even if it is possible. But the question of justice has concerned me greatly of late. And I say to any creature who may be listening, there can be no justice so long as laws are absolute. Even life itself is an exercise in exceptions. Jean-Luc Picard
Actually laws can be absolute, if they're detailed enough. Obviously almost impossible in practice, but maybe ...
But the problem with allowing "discretion" in laws, is whose discretion.
And there seems to be a recent govt enthusiasm for the meta issue of which laws to enforce, and how vigorously, which is certainly a concern.
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#87Much mumbo jumbo in the comments. Immigration is seldom a problem anywhere. Excessive immigration is usually a problem everywhere. The coming of Britain's and Europe's immigration backlash was obvious nearly 20 years ago. Surprise, surprise, people like their culture and their homeland. Who would've thought?
Something a European in London said yesterday: "We're moving outside London. I'm not a racist, but I'd at least like to have some white neighbours." Immigration is bringing in as many of the people you're targeting for not liking immigration.
I've met countless anti-Britain immigrants; not anti as a result of living here and having bad experiences, but perfectly comfortable people who simply think their country's approach to things is better. Some were friends for as long as I could stand it. If you go around talking down the country I live in and need to be succesful then you're poisonous. Constructive criticism fine; poisonous, get lost.
The pro-immigration groups' big mistake was pushing too hard, too fast, giving no time for the needed gradual adjustment, which might not have worked anyway, but had a better chance than bossing the natives around, forcing them to do things they didn't want, and then insulting them. What kind of half-witted strategy is that?
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#88Can't say I'm surprised by this outcome at all. The British government has long since been screwing over would be immigrants in fees, bureaucracy and rules. The point to note is -- had he not been an American with resources, and instead, say a Somali refugee, the outcome would have been very different and we'd never have heard about it. For those of you interested in how validated legal extortion can become, go look…
As someone who recently applied for a UK Visa, I was shocked that it cost around $120 for 6 months. A comparable US visa for 10 years costs around $160.
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#89It shouldn't be this hard in the first place...
Want a strong country? Let anyone who puts 50,000 of your currency in a local bank and has a college degree stay there.
I shouldn't need 250K and have a business plan, or 2 million pounds to invest. I certainly shouldn't have to bond myself to a corporation or get married to be allowed to live there and pay taxes. Ban me from public government benefits for 5 years until I'm a citizen, sure...
But you should welcome the young, educated, and reasonably stable. Who else is going to eventually pay to support everyone else?
Really though further ax to grind... How is it that in 2018 the easiest way to move countries is still marriage?!
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#90I speak as an immigrant. I see a lot of comments not being too kind to people who aren't welcoming of immigrants. As a person, I actually do understand. Not everyone is going to like me. As an African I do wish some of this energy would be directed to the African leaders that make their countries so terrible that someone feels it is better to jump on a rickety boat in search of a better life. These African "leaders"…
>These African "leaders" send their kids to school in the west, they go to the west when sick. This is common among all oligarchs, and a great idea for sanctions. Want to rob your country blind and blow out your liver on fine drink? Congrats - you're barred from entry. Feel free to use the hospital in your home country like the rest of the poor souls you've abused.
This would require immense cooperation and the whole scheme can be defeated if any one country doesn't comply.
Given that the US has offered medical visas to Yakuza leaders in the past, I don't see this ever happening.