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Re: Ask HN: Cost of living across the world (Ramen PPP Index for hackers)

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Australia in AUD (about the same as USD these days): One bedroom rent in Sydney: $1200/month (EDIT: increased the rent based on comments) Food: $400 Wages:$60K-120K/year (gross) Internet:$50/month Phone: $50/month Bus ticket: $3.20 McDonalds Big Mac small meal: $6.45 -- By the way, I am looking to hire a Ruby on Rails developer for USD600/month in India / Philippines / Indonesia to help me develop my ideas. Please co…

+1 on accuracy of figures, Melbourne is pretty much the same.

Re: Ask HN: Cost of living across the world (Ramen PPP Index for hackers)

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Australia in AUD (about the same as USD these days): One bedroom rent in Sydney: $1200/month (EDIT: increased the rent based on comments) Food: $400 Wages:$60K-120K/year (gross) Internet:$50/month Phone: $50/month Bus ticket: $3.20 McDonalds Big Mac small meal: $6.45 -- By the way, I am looking to hire a Ruby on Rails developer for USD600/month in India / Philippines / Indonesia to help me develop my ideas. Please co…

Good luck finding a decent one bedroom apt in Sydney for $200/wk.

Most places you'd want to live (eastern suburbs, inner west, northern beaches) will start at $350/wk.

To get something nice in Alexandria or Newtown will be $450/wk plus.

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I live in a small town outside of Nagoya, Japan.

I live fairly comfortably at $2,000 a month. The ramen profitable number for a single self-employed twentysomething is in the neighborhood of $1,500.

Some costs:

- A month's rent for a capacious apartment (by Japanese standards): $450 (This would be $700 inside of Nagoya, and you'd get a third the size of the apartment.)

- Utilities: Gym ($100), phone + Internet + cell phone + gas + electricity + water + sewage = ~$300

- Health insurance: $300 / mo, assuming your income is in the "typical Japanese twenty-something" bracket

- Pension: $200 / mo, ditto

- Food: A cheap meal at a restaurant runs $8. For Western food (pizza, Italian, etc), budget $15. My best friends manage to make $300 a month work for a monthly food budget -- I don't cook at all and spend closer to $700.

- A bowl of ramen: $1 if you make it yourself, $3 from a convenience store, $7 at a restaurant.

- Sundries: Prices are similar to expensive metropolitan areas in the US.

- Typical monthly wage for a programmer: if you work at a certain Japanese megacorp in Nagoya, you will earn $100 per year of age per month. All engineering salaries within five hundred miles of Nagoya are pegged to this number. Individual circumstances may vary (particularly for foreigners).

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I spent three years in Asia, with no income. So I was looking for cheap places to live. Here's the monthly rent for one bedroom in a "decent" student shared flat: - Montreal: 300$ - University town, Germany: 250$, 180$ for the dorms - University town, Turkey: 120$ - India, monastery guest house: 60$ - China, Kunming (mid-sized city): 80$ In my experience, the other expenses are roughly proportional to the rent, excep…

What did you live off without an income? Savings?

That sounds like quite the adventure! Did you write about it somewhere?

Re: Ask HN: Cost of living across the world (Ramen PPP Index for hackers)

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New Delhi (NCR), India Typical monthly wage for a programmer / designer: $300 to $500 Monthly Expenses: $860 Apartment Rent + Utilities: $500 Internet (2 Mbps): $50 Food: $100 Public Transport (Taxi+Bus+Metro): $100 (Higher if you mostly use taxi, and $300/mo for car) Coffee at a coffee shop: $60 ($2*30) Entertainment: $50

This breakdown doesn't seem right to me. From my other comment ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1773273 ), you can easily live on 250$/month in Surat, India. My friend runs an outsourcing company in Surat and he pays his programmers around 300-500$/month. When I started my IT career, I was in Mangalore (worked at Infosys) and my expenses were similar to what I listed above. [Except for the higher rent] I rented…

How many years ago was that? The rents were low until few years ago. The $500 rent I mentioned includes electricity and other utilities.

When I moved to New Delhi, my rent was $100. These days a livable apartment in New Delhi will cost around Rs. 15,000 ($330) + add cost of electricity($100), water and maintenance. In summer, electricity bill shoots up to $200 to $300.

The estimate of rent is very modest, a good two bedroom house can cost $2000 per month in Delhi or Mumbai. India tops the most expensive real estate market in the world.

A coffee at Barista or Cafe Coffee Day will cost between $1 to $3. Most hackers will require at least one coffee day if not beer. $100 per month will get you only two modest meals a day. Food could cost more than $200 depending upon what you eat.

Yes, most of the Indian population survives on less than $1 a day. They live on streets and barely get a single meal a day.

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post #22
post #9

Australia in AUD (about the same as USD these days): One bedroom rent in Sydney: $1200/month (EDIT: increased the rent based on comments) Food: $400 Wages:$60K-120K/year (gross) Internet:$50/month Phone: $50/month Bus ticket: $3.20 McDonalds Big Mac small meal: $6.45 -- By the way, I am looking to hire a Ruby on Rails developer for USD600/month in India / Philippines / Indonesia to help me develop my ideas. Please co…

Good luck finding a decent one bedroom apt in Sydney for $200/wk. Most places you'd want to live (eastern suburbs, inner west, northern beaches) will start at $350/wk. To get something nice in Alexandria or Newtown will be $450/wk plus.

Yep. I live in Newtown and I pay $510pw for a 2 bedroom apartment. I started living there 5 years ago at $420pw (AUD).

Re: Ask HN: Cost of living across the world (Ramen PPP Index for hackers)

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http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/

Numbeo has lots of crowdsourced data. They ask contributors for city data, so you can even compare between cities in your target country.

Hyderabad, India is at the top of their Consumer Price plus Rent Index for 2010.

Re: Ask HN: Cost of living across the world (Ramen PPP Index for hackers)

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Europe, Netherlands (adjusted for one person):

- rent/mortgage 500 (comes to about the same)

- food 120

- mandatory health insurance 100

- internet 20M 75 (yep, that's splurging)

- cheap car 250 (owning a car is expensive here)

- energy bill 200

- various other insurances 100

- phone 50

Re: Ask HN: Cost of living across the world (Ramen PPP Index for hackers)

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I spent three years in Asia, with no income. So I was looking for cheap places to live. Here's the monthly rent for one bedroom in a "decent" student shared flat: - Montreal: 300$ - University town, Germany: 250$, 180$ for the dorms - University town, Turkey: 120$ - India, monastery guest house: 60$ - China, Kunming (mid-sized city): 80$ In my experience, the other expenses are roughly proportional to the rent, excep…

What did you live off without an income? Savings? That sounds like quite the adventure! Did you write about it somewhere?

Savings. While in Germany, I had a good (tax-free) stipend and I was hoarding ~800 euros/month, for a year.

Living in Asia was an amazing experience, but honestly, there isn't that much "adventure" to write about. I wasn't traveling, since that's expensive-ish. My primary goal was to do research in AI. That turned out to be quite challenging, with the lack of good libraries and peers, but the freedom to work on whatever I want made it entirely worthwhile.

My next goal is to get a job, back in the West. Who wants to hire a physics grad school drop-out who spent three years roaming, with no portfolio and no professional experience? A drop-out who will surely quit once he has enough funds to start roaming again?

Let's find out!

Re: Ask HN: Cost of living across the world (Ramen PPP Index for hackers)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most programmers in India live in their parents house. So they save $500 on rent and are able to live on $400 per month. Programmers who move of parents house, share a 1 bed room apartment with 3 friends to save on rent and cover up their cost of living. Few of them make over $1000 per month and live independently, with a better lifestyle. You actually need at least $1000 per month for decent living in India. The $50…

> You actually need at least $1000 per month for decent living in India. $1000 USD is £630 GBP. Our family of 4 (2 young children) live on about £1000, ie $1600 - we have a private home with a bedroom each, run a car (necessary for work otherwise it we'd ditch it and use mass transit) and eat a moderately varied diet with meat/fish twice a day. I would say ours is probably unsustainable long term (clothing, building…

$1000 is not poverty in India, its middle class. Officially, poverty is less than $1/day in India. But realistically, anything below $100 per month is extreme poverty.

Most people with income of $1000 per month in India can afford a 2 bedroom apartment, a small car and good diet.

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