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Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by mrguyorama » Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 6:24 PM UTC

bartread wrote: post #84

habosa wrote: post #46

I just kind of figured we'd stop having UI lag by now. I work on a 24 core workstation with 64GB of RAM and things lag all the time. Not slow to complete, like jittery key entry and non-responses. Haven't we figured out thread prioritization by now? Can't we make sure something draws 60 times per second while things are going on in the background? My Android Studio build should be totally isolated from my inbox. I kn…

This isn't meant to be an especially religious comment, but I regularly switch back and forth between OSX and Windows 10 and wanted to make mention of the differences. I also use Ubuntu fairly regularly but only over ssh so I'll discount it from this comparison. Both OSX and Windows 10 do suffer from UI lag but, in my experience, it is far worse on Windows 10 to the point where I have come to absolutely detest Window…

Meanwhile my experience is opposite. I use Windows 7 at home and OSX for work. My personal machine is responsive, zippy, and most important of all, predictable

Meanwhile, my SSD filled work mac bogs down in completely unpredictable ways, with weird antivirus scans that I cannot control somehow destroying javascript performance, and needing to be rebooted more than weekly to stay functional in multiple ways. I was similarly dissatisfied with OSX in the mid 2000s when I used it at school. I just don't get it

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by joquarky » Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 6:41 PM UTC

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #216

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #212

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> a situation that's only gotten worse over time (for whatever reason) The answer is ever-increasing complexity, no?

Complexity is always the enemy, but only if you have to deal with it. My car engine is very complex and I don't ever think about it. I don't want to over-state this, but it's a hell of a lot more important than people think, mostly because it attacks you in little bits here and there. It's never a direct assault. We are creating a consumer society in which we're becoming slaves to the tech. It entertains us, it conne…

My memory may be faulty, but wasn't this one of the design goals of BeOS?

I wonder if there is a chance we could take another try at that.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by arendtio » Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 7:07 PM UTC

polkadotted wrote: post #235

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #232

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> Yes, booting from a SSD is faster Laptop users are many, and they care about boot up times. Especially since Linux power management is still awful.

This is a blatant lie that needs to stop. I've been using linux exclusively on laptops for more than 10 years. The first 5 with the HP EliteBook like, currently with Lenovo X1 line. On my current X1 Yoga 1st gen, I do regularly get almost 1.5x the uptime on battery compared to windows 10. We got a batch of X1 Carbon 6th gen, which are "optimized for windows 10", where the S3 sleep state was replaced by the S0I3, whic…

I am not sure if I would categorize it as a lie. I think it is unprecise and probably misleading. I have very little expertise on the subject but from my perspective, it is more like a driver/support problem. If everything is supported (e.g. some Laptops, but also Smartphones) Linux has quite a good energy footprint, but there seem to be many devices out there which do not have good support (at least out of the box).

One of the problems here is that power-draining can happen by different components. Quite popular are graphics chips, but other components can be part too. For example, a friend of mine has problems with his device waking up from s2idle during transport. That is not exactly what you would expect in such a discussion, but from a users perspective, he has less time to work with his device given his usage pattern.

For me, this isn't much of a problem as I prefer working on a desktop, but I wouldn't accuse someone of being a liar just because he had a bad experience with power consumption on Linux.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by zlynx » Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 7:44 PM UTC

sadamznintern wrote: post #156

some_account wrote: post #154

I'm running Manjaro Linux with Deepin Desktop on a Dual core 0.9Ghz CPU with 8 GB of memory. Boot speed from off to login is less than 5 seconds. From hibernate it's instant. My girlfriend brought similar desktop to work and people with windows couldn't believe the machine was that fast. It runs circles around their new windows laptops with tons of memory and cpu cores. Firefox loads in a second. Kingsoft office also…

.9ghz in 2018!? What machine is this?

It could be my 2017 Dell XPS 15.

If I really want to extend battery life, forcing the CPU clock down to 800 MHz is a good idea.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by milankragujevic » Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 8:10 PM UTC

I don't want to bash Windows 10, but it's seems interesting that for me, on a laptop with 4GB of RAM, Windows 10 is extremely laggy and stuttering and acting "dumb" (app loads an empty window then I have to wait for it to "Not responding" it's way to reality, then it loads fully and works). I know, I know, RAM is the problem, upgrade it blah blah get a new PC, etc. But Windows 8.1 works well enough, presumably Windows 7 would even better if it wanted to boot off of a UEFI bootloader... Ah, I literally am going to have to switch to some Linux distro if I want to continue using it when Win 8.1 support ends... :/

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by mcdevilkiller » Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 8:25 PM UTC

Vogtinator wrote: post #213

pantalaimon wrote: post #196

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I just stayed with Mate with Compiz (Ubuntu Mate) and my desktop is still as snappy as it was during Gnome 2 days. I've recently given KDE Plasma a try and was really impressed by it's speed and smoothness. I think it shows when your desktop does not rely on interpreted langues so much.

KDE Plasma is written mostly in QML, so JavaScript.

AFAIK it gets compiled AOT to C++ code. Technically, should be pretty fast out of the box.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by znpy » Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 9:30 PM UTC

luc4sdreyer wrote: post #88

brewrwe wrote: post #14

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I ended up going to Thunderbird for my main email addresses (work & personal), with Rainmail for quasi-disposable addresses on my various domains. Works much better than Gmail did towards the end of my years using Gmail.

I have to use Thunderbird for work and I wish it was 1% as good as Gmail. The search sucks, it's slow to receive mail, it crashes quite often. Either your Gmail is profoundly broken or you have a magic Thunderbird. In case the latter is true: do you have any tips to optimise Thunderbird?

Thunderbird is quite a piece of crap. Apart from the core, everything else is written in javascript and thus it is a single-core web application.

I have decided to just leave it be, and let it hog my computer, because it interface decently with google calendar.

That being said, I can definitely vouch for clients like Claws Mail (a bit ugly, but does its job) and Evolution (super fast, but it's written in C#/Mono)

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by znpy » Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 9:31 PM UTC

another-cuppa wrote: post #208

emilsedgh wrote: post #6

Gmail and Inbox both hang for me on my Chrome on Linux with almost no load. It's funny how tides turn. Initially Gmail was the king of performance.

> Initially Gmail was the king of performance. When, and compared to what? I'm pretty sure it was never faster than Thunderbird let alone something like Mutt.

When it was just release, compared to things like yahoo mail and hotmail.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by themodelplumber » Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 10:17 PM UTC

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #210

anonytrary wrote: post #80

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Oh wow that is a stark contrast. yahoo.co.uk, yahoo.co.in, yahoo.co.id, etc. are all incredibly low-density as well. I have always loved the Japanese aesthetic, I wonder if any other cultures have a similar preference for websites.

Only downside being that it's common to see people walking around in Japan with their phone about a foot in front of their face.

Sounds like me. On the couch or walking around I'm at 10-12 inches away. I wonder--do people who don't prefer high information density hold their devices farther away?

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by pdimitar » Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 11:10 PM UTC

brucedawson wrote: post #9

joering2 wrote: post #4

Every other paragraph the ad box tries to run a full screen video with unmuted audio by default. I got headache some half way thru article and then gave up reading. From authors work, it doesnt seem this particular blogger needs my two cents from ads he runs to live a decent life. Its sad how the state of internet looks like these days ;(

Uggh. I'll talk to wordpress. They were supposed to turn off the video ads. I agree, it is sad.

You are a serious author and your articles are of top quality. Don't you think you should invest some time and effort in self-publishing? (Read: run far away from WordPress.)

I too hate side activities when I'm in the zone but you have to admit this situation can eat away at your audience. :(