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Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by bumholio »

c3534l wrote: post #183
bartread wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't meant to be an especially religious comment, but I regularly switch back and forth between OSX and Windows 10 and wanted to make mention of the differences. I also use Ubuntu fairly regularly but only over ssh so I'll discount it from this comparison. Both OSX and Windows 10 do suffer from UI lag but, in my experience, it is far worse on Windows 10 to the point where I have come to absolutely detest Window…

A brand new laptop I bought this year can't run Windows 10, the system is basically unusable. Not a cheap laptop, either, it was one of the more expensive ones. It runs Ubuntu no problem. All of Microsofts products seem to have latency issues, and I still can't figure out for the life of me why it takes longer to open a file in Visual Studio or in Word on my gaming desktop than it does to load a current year $60 vide…

I'm typing this on a 5 year old netbook that had cost me $300 back then with 2GB, which I later upgraded to 4GB. It runs Windows 10 very smoothly, it's my living room TV computer for browsing, torrenting (up to 1080p) etc. At this time I'm running Firefox, Chrome, VLC and uTorrent seeding and performance is decent, certainly not "unusable".

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by JTbane »

habosa wrote: post #46

I just kind of figured we'd stop having UI lag by now. I work on a 24 core workstation with 64GB of RAM and things lag all the time. Not slow to complete, like jittery key entry and non-responses. Haven't we figured out thread prioritization by now? Can't we make sure something draws 60 times per second while things are going on in the background? My Android Studio build should be totally isolated from my inbox. I kn…

>I just kind of figured we'd stop having UI lag by now

Software will always expand in resource usage as computing becomes faster. This ought to be an adage that more programmers should think about.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

polkadotted wrote: post #235
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #232

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> Yes, booting from a SSD is faster Laptop users are many, and they care about boot up times. Especially since Linux power management is still awful.

This is a blatant lie that needs to stop. I've been using linux exclusively on laptops for more than 10 years. The first 5 with the HP EliteBook like, currently with Lenovo X1 line. On my current X1 Yoga 1st gen, I do regularly get almost 1.5x the uptime on battery compared to windows 10. We got a batch of X1 Carbon 6th gen, which are "optimized for windows 10", where the S3 sleep state was replaced by the S0I3, whic…

Today on Linux Evangelism 101: using a single anecdotal experience as proof that something works right always.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by tremon »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #216
MaxBarraclough wrote: post #212

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> a situation that's only gotten worse over time (for whatever reason) The answer is ever-increasing complexity, no?

Complexity is always the enemy, but only if you have to deal with it. My car engine is very complex and I don't ever think about it. I don't want to over-state this, but it's a hell of a lot more important than people think, mostly because it attacks you in little bits here and there. It's never a direct assault. We are creating a consumer society in which we're becoming slaves to the tech. It entertains us, it conne…

Complexity is always the enemy, but only if you have to deal with it

I think that we got to where we are now exactly because of the addition "but only if you have to deal with it". Software consumes many useless cycles exactly because developers on all layers shift their responsibility to deal with complexity to other layers (either the CPU, or the downstream developer). Sometimes it's because they have to, but most of the time it's simply because there's too much distance between producing and consuming developers.

being humane to the users

"users" all too easily implies end-users only. I'd add that developers also need to be humane to downstream developers (circle of influence and all that), including better API design and better instrumentation hooks. But that latter would be adding complexity :(

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #231
vectorEQ wrote: post #186

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agree, this kind of issues exists in any highly complicated systems which need to take into account memory security etc. I dont think a lot of people realise that modern browsers are about as complicated as the operating systems they run in and have about as much counter measures for security problems as the OS undernearth it. To manage these systems resources securely and not have them fight eachother in the process…

> I dont think a lot of people realise that modern browsers are about as complicated as the operating systems they run in and have about as much counter measures for security problems as the OS undernearth it. There's an argument to be made that maybe 'security' isn't worth as much as the blogosphere thinks it is. Like everything else in life, it's a trade off, and because it is in their best interest the security "e…

How many minutes would that highly responsive Windows XP install survive browsing the web before it's rendered useless by tons of malware?

How many 2005 era applications, print drivers, toolbars or screensavers, and whatever else was cool in 2005, can you install before the machine is as responsive as a 300 baud connection?

XP era was probably peak crapware with people having IE with 12 added toolbars and unusable everything. Often solved by buying a replacement machine because the old one got so slow.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by smolder »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #245
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I dont think a lot of people realise that modern browsers are about as complicated as the operating systems they run in and have about as much counter measures for security problems as the OS undernearth it. There's an argument to be made that maybe 'security' isn't worth as much as the blogosphere thinks it is. Like everything else in life, it's a trade off, and because it is in their best interest the security "e…

How many minutes would that highly responsive Windows XP install survive browsing the web before it's rendered useless by tons of malware? How many 2005 era applications, print drivers, toolbars or screensavers, and whatever else was cool in 2005, can you install before the machine is as responsive as a 300 baud connection? XP era was probably peak crapware with people having IE with 12 added toolbars and unusable ev…

There's not too much in the way of xp malware still actively spreading, but you're right, an xp machine at one point was like a public domain colocated computer to be abused by whoever.

Computer insecurity is costly and counterproductive. It helps criminals and maybe the occasional oppressive regimes walk us backwards, mess up lives, mess up businesses. I don't think privilege escalation and encryption key theft should be taken lightly. Abusable things get abused.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by smolder »

bumholio wrote: post #241
c3534l wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A brand new laptop I bought this year can't run Windows 10, the system is basically unusable. Not a cheap laptop, either, it was one of the more expensive ones. It runs Ubuntu no problem. All of Microsofts products seem to have latency issues, and I still can't figure out for the life of me why it takes longer to open a file in Visual Studio or in Word on my gaming desktop than it does to load a current year $60 vide…

I'm typing this on a 5 year old netbook that had cost me $300 back then with 2GB, which I later upgraded to 4GB. It runs Windows 10 very smoothly, it's my living room TV computer for browsing, torrenting (up to 1080p) etc. At this time I'm running Firefox, Chrome, VLC and uTorrent seeding and performance is decent, certainly not "unusable".

Notably not running visual studio or MS office.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #194
bcaa7f3a8bbc wrote: post #167

It seems many comments missed the point. The article is not about how bloated modern software is, how many useless features and programs are wasting CPU cycles for pointless jobs, etc. ( Yes, modern software is bloated, for this reason, I'm using the MATE desktop on a minimum Gentoo installation, but this is not what the article is about. ) It is describing how web browser, a piece of software with extremely high inh…

I get what you're saying, but it seems you already have a place you want to go and are using the article to get there -- much like the other commenters. While these things are important, to me the critical phrase in the article is this: ...It seems highly improbably that, as one of the most qualified people to diagnose this bug, I was the first to notice it... My system hangs when typing text all of the time. Reading…

We've all been trained by web apps that stuttering, jaggy rendering and hangs are normal and expected. I've railed against web apps for a decade now, most to deaf ears. They are so broken, unperformant, unreliable that in a previous time they would have never released with problems like those.

But now desktop apps have the same issues. And its not going back to where we were. So I guess we'll get used to it.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #245
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I dont think a lot of people realise that modern browsers are about as complicated as the operating systems they run in and have about as much counter measures for security problems as the OS undernearth it. There's an argument to be made that maybe 'security' isn't worth as much as the blogosphere thinks it is. Like everything else in life, it's a trade off, and because it is in their best interest the security "e…

How many minutes would that highly responsive Windows XP install survive browsing the web before it's rendered useless by tons of malware? How many 2005 era applications, print drivers, toolbars or screensavers, and whatever else was cool in 2005, can you install before the machine is as responsive as a 300 baud connection? XP era was probably peak crapware with people having IE with 12 added toolbars and unusable ev…

There's plenty of crapware today, hell, Microsoft forces some of it on you in the default install. The same rules more or less still apply: it's risky to install crap from random untrusted sources. I still have an XP machine I use all the time at work because it has a real physical serial port for talking to some equipment with. It hasn't been a problem.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t type an email

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Post by Accacin »

audiolion wrote: post #49
bevel wrote: post #36

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I hate material design. I don't want more vacant space, I want density. Ive always loved Japanese website layouts. Content is beauty.

do you have any examples or resources on Japanese style web design?

It's not just Japanese, Chinese also. An article not long ago theorized some reasoning behind it: https://randomwire.com/why-japanese-web-design-is-so-differe...
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