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Microsoft Closes US Surface Factory, Moves Production to China

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Re: Microsoft Closes US Surface Factory, Moves Production to China

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Yep. Also, > American companies now produce many more products with far fewer employees PSA: You may have heard that American manufacturing is stronger than ever, it has just become automated. This story is largely result of funny accounting. https://qz.com/1269172/the-epic-mistake-about-manufacturing-...

Which is apparent to anyone who doesn't have their heads stuck in some spreadsheets. Huge American manufacturing sectors (textiles, electronics, home appliances, etc) which were made in this country 30-40 years ago are no longer made here, or are made here in significantly reduced capacity. So, its possible to talk about how efficient American manufacturing has become, but the average consumer doesn't see that as the…

Re: semiconductor fabs. It is interesting to note that US still holds a lot of cutting edge semiconductor fab capacity, at Oregon, Arizona, and New York.

Re: Microsoft Closes US Surface Factory, Moves Production to China

#12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Also, > American companies now produce many more products with far fewer employees PSA: You may have heard that American manufacturing is stronger than ever, it has just become automated. This story is largely result of funny accounting. https://qz.com/1269172/the-epic-mistake-about-manufacturing-...

Which is apparent to anyone who doesn't have their heads stuck in some spreadsheets. Huge American manufacturing sectors (textiles, electronics, home appliances, etc) which were made in this country 30-40 years ago are no longer made here, or are made here in significantly reduced capacity. So, its possible to talk about how efficient American manufacturing has become, but the average consumer doesn't see that as the…

> ... and john deere tractors

Not if they're < 100hp. Those are all made in Japan by Yanmar and rebadged. Ditto New Holland(merged with Ford) which is built by LS. There's not a single company that makes a compact tractor in the US that you can buy.

Re: Microsoft Closes US Surface Factory, Moves Production to China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is apparent to anyone who doesn't have their heads stuck in some spreadsheets. Huge American manufacturing sectors (textiles, electronics, home appliances, etc) which were made in this country 30-40 years ago are no longer made here, or are made here in significantly reduced capacity. So, its possible to talk about how efficient American manufacturing has become, but the average consumer doesn't see that as the…

Almost all of the high-value parts of an iPhone are made in the US. Yet there is a lot of hand-wringing about the low-value, labor-intensive work done on iPhones in China.

Which parts are you talking about?

Re: Microsoft Closes US Surface Factory, Moves Production to China

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Which is apparent to anyone who doesn't have their heads stuck in some spreadsheets. Huge American manufacturing sectors (textiles, electronics, home appliances, etc) which were made in this country 30-40 years ago are no longer made here, or are made here in significantly reduced capacity. So, its possible to talk about how efficient American manufacturing has become, but the average consumer doesn't see that as the…

Almost all of the high-value parts of an iPhone are made in the US. Yet there is a lot of hand-wringing about the low-value, labor-intensive work done on iPhones in China.

Which ones? Screen, flash memory, CPU, DRAM, battery come to mind. All of these product types are also manufactured in the US, but not the majority of the output.

Re: Microsoft Closes US Surface Factory, Moves Production to China

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> Microsoft’s decision to shift Surface Hub manufacturing to China highlights the difficulty in bringing manufacturing jobs back to the United States. It’s not just a question of opening a factory and hiring employees. There are supply line considerations, source costs, and the simple fact that American companies now produce many more products with far fewer employees than they used to require in the 1970s, thanks to…

https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/05/investing/jobs-report-const...

https://www.industryweek.com/leadership/america-s-new-factor...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-03/manufactu...

https://www.businessinsider.es/jobs-report-july-manufacturin...

(Note: I'm not American but as far as I can tell these links should not come from overly biased sources)

Re: Microsoft Closes US Surface Factory, Moves Production to China

#17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Also, > American companies now produce many more products with far fewer employees PSA: You may have heard that American manufacturing is stronger than ever, it has just become automated. This story is largely result of funny accounting. https://qz.com/1269172/the-epic-mistake-about-manufacturing-...

Which is apparent to anyone who doesn't have their heads stuck in some spreadsheets. Huge American manufacturing sectors (textiles, electronics, home appliances, etc) which were made in this country 30-40 years ago are no longer made here, or are made here in significantly reduced capacity. So, its possible to talk about how efficient American manufacturing has become, but the average consumer doesn't see that as the…

> The problem

Is there any problem at all, really? Humanity gets more and more efficient at allocating jobs and then at removing the need for human input at all. It's only a problem for people who cannot contribute to humanity in any way but repetitive manual labour, and while I genuinly tried, I can't feel sorry for them. You don't even have to have a high IQ for a different kind of a job - there's a LOT of jobs that require social intelligence and empathy instead of intelligence that are even less prone to automation than software development.

Re: Microsoft Closes US Surface Factory, Moves Production to China

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Which is apparent to anyone who doesn't have their heads stuck in some spreadsheets. Huge American manufacturing sectors (textiles, electronics, home appliances, etc) which were made in this country 30-40 years ago are no longer made here, or are made here in significantly reduced capacity. So, its possible to talk about how efficient American manufacturing has become, but the average consumer doesn't see that as the…

Almost all of the high-value parts of an iPhone are made in the US. Yet there is a lot of hand-wringing about the low-value, labor-intensive work done on iPhones in China.

Screen&flash- South Korea, CPU - TSMC(Taiwan), frames - China.

Which high value part are you talking about is made in us?

Re: Microsoft Closes US Surface Factory, Moves Production to China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is apparent to anyone who doesn't have their heads stuck in some spreadsheets. Huge American manufacturing sectors (textiles, electronics, home appliances, etc) which were made in this country 30-40 years ago are no longer made here, or are made here in significantly reduced capacity. So, its possible to talk about how efficient American manufacturing has become, but the average consumer doesn't see that as the…

> The problem Is there any problem at all, really? Humanity gets more and more efficient at allocating jobs and then at removing the need for human input at all. It's only a problem for people who cannot contribute to humanity in any way but repetitive manual labour, and while I genuinly tried, I can't feel sorry for them. You don't even have to have a high IQ for a different kind of a job - there's a LOT of jobs tha…

Please don't write "humanity" when you mean "capital". It's confusing.

Re: Microsoft Closes US Surface Factory, Moves Production to China

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost all of the high-value parts of an iPhone are made in the US. Yet there is a lot of hand-wringing about the low-value, labor-intensive work done on iPhones in China.

Screen&flash- South Korea, CPU - TSMC(Taiwan), frames - China. Which high value part are you talking about is made in us?

The software, I would presume. The Snow Crash quote "America makes movies, music, and microcode" has never seemed more true.
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