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NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

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Re: NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

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This seems to be a pattern in America. People call for X to be more affordable > government subsidizes X > X absorbs all subsidies and becomes even more expensive > people call for X to be socialized. Maybe instead we should start to unwind student financing. For example: let students discharge student loans via bankruptcy. That would give financiers pause and would put an upper bound on what many universities could…

> let students discharge student loans via bankruptcy This is a fine idea, but you have to recognize that this just means approximately no one gets student loans (and those who do get them don't need them). Think about it: if you come out of college with, say, $20k of debt (granting that this might bring down prices) and no assets, bankruptcy is a very tempting option. Student loans are just inherently problematic -…

> This is a fine idea, but you have to recognize that this just means approximately no one gets student loans (and those who do get them don't need them).

The vast majority of student loan loans are issued by the federal government since private lenders are cut out of the federally-guaranteed Stafford loan program, so changing rules on discharge won't meaningfully effect loan issuance without some other federal policy change.

> Think about it: if you come out of college with, say, $20k of debt (granting that this might bring down prices) and no assets, bankruptcy is a very tempting option.

So make them hard, as they are now, to discharge for some period of years after they would regularly first enter repayment, and then subject to discharge like normal unsecured debt.

Or, just eliminate the federal student loan program and special bankruptcy treatment of student loans in favor of robust federal need-based and public-service-based grants.

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> Just make college free. Sure, have some funding ideas?

Look at how other countries in the world fund these things. Germany even made University free for foreigners.

It's not free. There is no tuition, but at least in TUM (Munich) there is a 'student union and basic ticket' free. It's €129.40 per semester [1]. There are financial aid options available. This applies to all students regardless of nationality.

TUM is a top technical university by German, European and World standards. [2]

[1] - https://www.tum.de/en/studies/fees-and-financial-aid/ [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_University_of_Munich...

Re: NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

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> Just make college free. Sure, have some funding ideas?

Raise the income tax, create a VAT, kill the mortgage-interest tax deduction, add a Financial transaction tax, tax capital gains like normal income, stop subsidizing fossil fuel extraction, add a carbon tax, and lower the threshold for the inheritance tax and raise the percentage.

Instead, can we have a negative income tax?

Re: NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

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Unfortunately, common or not, the usage of "alumni" in that context is incorrect. It may be a bit pedantic to insist on correctness in Latin, but all other schools use the term correctly and it doesn't reflect well on a well-regarded school to use the term incorrectly.

Isn't language defined by common use over time?

Yes it is by processes of consensus arising from appeals to stylistic license, shared community language, memes, etc. But not every grammatical error falls into these categories.

Think of it this way - let's say you make a grammatical mistake that most people consider a mistake. You shouldn't hide behind the "language evolves" catch-all card... you should to recognize it as a mistake and try to use the correct form.

"Alumni" is plural.

Re: NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

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I did a prelim-surgery intern year. The hours are worse than medicine, but there are way less "mandatory" activities (no lectures, no endless rounding, etc.). For the most part, you're on the floor waiting for pages. I used the time between pages to write code. Now I'm a radiology resident and have much more time.

> the time between pages to write code. Makes me feel like a slacker for not studying medicine or law while I'm waiting for my code to compile.

Don't forget. He also had time to browse HN...

Re: NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

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Finally someone putting education before money; maybe these kids can get educated without having to worry about taking crap jobs outside of their career taking up their time to pay for loans that will tank them otherwise instead of looking for a job in their career or ramping up as an intern.

Re: NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

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You prefer an under-educated population? The most valuable asset we have in the technology and service based economies is human capital. We need a creative and educated population to continue to compete. I think we should eliminate all for-profit education and preferably make all universities public.

Is it possible to simultaneously have an over-educated population and an under-educated population? I am having a hard time squaring the two prevailing ideas on this issue. One is that we need more/free education because an educated population is best. The other is that we need to import vast amounts of new unskilled labor so we have someone to pick our fruit. I realize you only espoused one of these ideas, but I am…

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Re: NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

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I'll probably be downvoted on a forum like this, but I worry about the most successful universities using their funds to subsidize those who would be fine without it. I was actually made aware of this by a wealthy Stanford alumni which has a fairly broad program for undergraduate tuition assistance. Graduates of mid/low tier universities seem more and more likely to have to compete with better credentialed people wit…

I don't believe it will lower medical costs, but would drive students to consider the much needed general practitioner which generally pays less.

Re: NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

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If you look at the UK, which has in recent years gone from free to firstly low tuition fees and more recently exorbitant tuition fees, the reverse seems to be true. In making university a £9k a year proposition universities seem to have significantly increased student expectations along the lines of "I paid for this, I expect top marks", along with vast increases in appeals etc. It does not seem to have increased edu…

Yeah, I don't think high fees are the answer either. Costly and free are both extreme and probably won't do what we want them to do. We need something just right, something that both the schools, and students still have some skin in the game so they are obligated / motivated to perform their best. I think a free market mostly can cover do this, and it seemed to work out fine for many many years in the US until we sta…

I think you're right. In the UK context, the first incarnation of fees appeared to work OK and not bring the negatives that are becoming clear after the introduction of high fees. Even the overseas students paying higher fees seemed to bring less expectation and entitlement to a first whilst standard fees were only £3k, which I can't explain.

Of course the other aspect when fees were first introduced was the policy to significantly increase numbers attending university. This brought its own set of problems including harming standards (unavoidable of course) and vocational institutions, and no end of colleges remaking themselves as universities.

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