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>There are no GMO oats available on the market That's not true at all. Many companies offer Non-GMO oats. There's is a big difference between crops being sprayed with glyphosate and crops coming from non-GMO seeds.
Wait, didn't you two just say the same thing? He said there are no GMO oats available. You said companies offer non-GMO oats, which are not GMO oats.
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> which often results in greater and more environmentally harmful quantities. Do you have any substantial references of such results happening "often" or is that idea just gathered from anecdotes and casual articles ?
Without knowing more, it seems a logical deduction. If the "organic" pesticides were more effective than the "chemical" pesticides, farmers would always choose to use them. If the alternatives aren't as effective, then you need to spray more for the same result.
Organic standards are not so simply drawn as to focus on the weight or mass or price of pesticides - they concern the ecological impact and risk of agricultural materials and practices.
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>Considering reduction of pesticide use and exposure is one of the main objectives of the organic movement why does that matter when the still spray as much pesticides you want and still call it "organic"? call it the "pesticide free movement" or something, but don't conflate it with "organic", which is essentially a meaningless marketing term at this point, at least when it comes to food safety.
"they still spray as much pesticides you want" Organic labelled produce cant, it is subject to greater restrictions of pesticide use than general international farming regulations. Honestly, if you dont acknowledge this very basic reality of organic certification then your arguments against it are besides reason. Organic certification is not a "meaningless marketing term" like for example "family farm" can be. It mea…
is that a feature of some organic certification programs, or just some?
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"they still spray as much pesticides you want" Organic labelled produce cant, it is subject to greater restrictions of pesticide use than general international farming regulations. Honestly, if you dont acknowledge this very basic reality of organic certification then your arguments against it are besides reason. Organic certification is not a "meaningless marketing term" like for example "family farm" can be. It mea…
>Organic labelled produce cant, it is subject to greater restrictions of pesticide use than general international farming regulations. is that a feature of some organic certification programs, or just some?
[0]https://www.ams.usda.gov/services/organic-certification/beco...
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>Organic labelled produce cant, it is subject to greater restrictions of pesticide use than general international farming regulations. is that a feature of some organic certification programs, or just some?
There is generally only one organic certification program per country, in the US it is administered by the United States Department of Agriculture [0] - which also administrates most standard regulations. Of course, no organically certified products are exempt from any standard regulations - the organic regulations exist in addition to general standards. [0] https://www.ams.usda.gov/services/organic-certification/bec…
and couldn't find anything saying you can't "spray as much pesticides you want", only that you can only spray certain pesticides. can you provide a link to the regulation preventing unlimited usage of allowed organic pesticides?
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They may not be wrong. The article says that glyphosate was found present in all but two of the 45 oat-derived products. There are no GMO oats available on the market. Glyphosate is sometimes used on wheat and oats when the plant is at the end of its lifecycle when it is fine, if not desirable, if it kills the crop. We can reasonably conclude that the traces showed up because of the crop being non-GMO, delaying appli…
>There are no GMO oats available on the market That's not true at all. Many companies offer Non-GMO oats. There's is a big difference between crops being sprayed with glyphosate and crops coming from non-GMO seeds.
Being a grain farmer, I know. :)
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There is generally only one organic certification program per country, in the US it is administered by the United States Department of Agriculture [0] - which also administrates most standard regulations. Of course, no organically certified products are exempt from any standard regulations - the organic regulations exist in addition to general standards. [0] https://www.ams.usda.gov/services/organic-certification/bec…
I took a quick skim of the "farmers guide" https://web.archive.org/web/20170217143321/https://www.ams.u... and couldn't find anything saying you can't "spray as much pesticides you want", only that you can only spray certain pesticides. can you provide a link to the regulation preventing unlimited usage of allowed organic pesticides?
Where there may be substances used for pest control which are not limited by organic certification or EPA or USDA general standards, those substances will almost certainly be ubiquitous in nature with zero conceivable impact on health and environment.
Organic standards most contentious pesticide is perhaps Copper sulphate, which has potential to taint soil biology.
Here is description of its controls and others.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/04/04/2018-06...
"Copper Sulfate—for use as an algicide in aquatic rice systems, is limited to one application per field during any 24-month period. Application rates are limited to those which do not increase baseline soil test values for copper over a timeframe agreed upon by the producer and accredited certifying agent."