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Re: NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

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Post by agitator »

monocasa wrote: post #120
sf_rob wrote: post #32

I'll probably be downvoted on a forum like this, but I worry about the most successful universities using their funds to subsidize those who would be fine without it. I was actually made aware of this by a wealthy Stanford alumni which has a fairly broad program for undergraduate tuition assistance. Graduates of mid/low tier universities seem more and more likely to have to compete with better credentialed people wit…

IDK. The same thought process led me to not being able to complete college due to financial reasons. Despite being emancipated, FAFSA still considers you a dependent until you're 24. I was told that only with documentation of leaving an abusive household would a dependency exception grant be applied. So according to FAFSA I was supposed to use all this money that I didn't have to pay for college. By 24 I had dropped…

I agree.

Yes, it will cost a lot and yes we need to find a way to fund it, but giving all communities fair access to education is in everyone's best interest.

Increasing the base level of education makes everyone a more intelligent, informed citizen and voter, and will have a positive impact on the progression of our country. I think it's a bad idea to be penny pinching in this regard. I also think everyone being educated, and learning how to think for themselves (which I find is the key greatest value of getting higher education) will keep the people in power from herding everyone around like sheep, and will lead to more progress and innovation.

I will gladly pay a higher portion of my salary if it means the general populous can think for themselves, has a means to climb if they wish to, and the base level of education of the people in my country increases.

Re: NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

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Post by WillPostForFood »

jeffreybaird wrote: post #144
kfrzcode wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just make college free. Sure, have some funding ideas?

Raise the income tax, create a VAT, kill the mortgage-interest tax deduction, add a Financial transaction tax, tax capital gains like normal income, stop subsidizing fossil fuel extraction, add a carbon tax, and lower the threshold for the inheritance tax and raise the percentage.

All that for a worthless degree in antaractic penguin studies from Shady St Univ. You still graduate unemployed, unskilled, but instead of you paying the debt, someone else does.

Also, with no skin in the game, I’m sure college will get even less serious.

Re: NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

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Post by jakobegger »

sf_rob wrote: post #32

I'll probably be downvoted on a forum like this, but I worry about the most successful universities using their funds to subsidize those who would be fine without it. I was actually made aware of this by a wealthy Stanford alumni which has a fairly broad program for undergraduate tuition assistance. Graduates of mid/low tier universities seem more and more likely to have to compete with better credentialed people wit…

On the other hand, subsidies that everyone gets are the best kind: they're a small help for people who don't need them, and a big help for people who do need them. And there's no bureaucrats who get to decide if you need them or not.

Re: NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

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Post by maym86 »

kfrzcode wrote: post #137
monocasa wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IDK. The same thought process led me to not being able to complete college due to financial reasons. Despite being emancipated, FAFSA still considers you a dependent until you're 24. I was told that only with documentation of leaving an abusive household would a dependency exception grant be applied. So according to FAFSA I was supposed to use all this money that I didn't have to pay for college. By 24 I had dropped…

> Just make college free. Sure, have some funding ideas?

Sure, reappropriate some of the US military budget ($717 billion).

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-approves-717b-defense-s...

Re: NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

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Post by chimeracoder »

bawana wrote: post #145

They need warm bodies (residents are cheap labor) to run the hospital (the money machine that gets thousands of dollars per xray, per drug, etc). A steady supply of med students who are already situated in NYC saves them the cost of recruiting residents from afar. And who knows how much money they save by cutting the bureaucracy to administer tuition, loans, Sally Mae compliance, etc.

> They need warm bodies (residents are cheap labor) to run the hospital (the money machine that gets thousands of dollars per xray, per drug, etc). A steady supply of med students who are already situated in NYC saves them the cost of recruiting residents from afar. And who knows how much money they save by cutting the bureaucracy to administer tuition, loans, Sally Mae compliance, etc.

This is a rather elaborate conspiracy theory, and one that falls apart entirely once you think about the actual costs of residency programs, the mechanics of matching students, and the real ROI that they would make in the process. It's absurdly out of proportion with what would be needed to make this theory work.

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Post by tc7 »

monocasa wrote: post #134
felipemnoa wrote: post #124

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>>You can get into NYU from a poor socio-economic background, if you work hard and attain academic excellence. Very true. Unfortunately many times the schools where a kid from a lower socio-economic background will attend will not prepare them for a school like NYU. In fact, sometimes it will probably be a net negative. Not necessarily the school itself, but the whole environment. Other students will be so disruptive…

I've been in many different socio-economic backgrounds. First school I went to was the lowest performing school in Georgia, in which I was the only white child. By high school I had moved to the highest performing high school in the state, where the senators sent their kids, etc. "Real Housewives of Atlanta" was from my school district then. Drugs, alcoholism, bullying, and domestic violence happen in every environme…

Out of curiosity, if it wasn't the environmental or family differences, and if the cops aren't preventing crime in the higher-income neighborhoods, what do you think caused the first school to be low-performing and the other to be high-performing?

Re: NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

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Post by WhompingWindows »

mbrumlow wrote: post #129

I feel like all the collage should be free people are not thinking far enough ahead to what that actually means. 1) A free collage will end up being more like extended high school. 2) At some point new institutes of for pay higher education will pop up. They just won't be called colleges. People who can afford them will clearly have a advantage and top companies will start to seek out people who attended these organi…

I don't think anyone is suggesting all private institutions should be tuition free. NYU chose to do it for medical school, however the progressives in USA just want public college to be tuition free.

I doubt those outcomes will come to pass. Tuition used to be basically free in the USA, and it already is in many European nations, and we didn't/don't see those outcomes that you worry about.

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Post by aabajian »

gcheong wrote: post #116
notyourwork wrote: post #65

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> the time between pages to write code. Makes me feel like a slacker for not studying medicine or law while I'm waiting for my code to compile.

All those wasted sword fights. https://3d.xkcd.com/303/

I did my master's degree in computer science at Stanford, but now I'm a radiology resident at the University of Washington in Seattle.

Re: NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

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Post by jeffreybaird »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #152
jeffreybaird wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Raise the income tax, create a VAT, kill the mortgage-interest tax deduction, add a Financial transaction tax, tax capital gains like normal income, stop subsidizing fossil fuel extraction, add a carbon tax, and lower the threshold for the inheritance tax and raise the percentage.

All that for a worthless degree in antaractic penguin studies from Shady St Univ. You still graduate unemployed, unskilled, but instead of you paying the debt, someone else does. Also, with no skin in the game, I’m sure college will get even less serious.

You prefer an under-educated population? The most valuable asset we have in the technology and service based economies is human capital. We need a creative and educated population to continue to compete. I think we should eliminate all for-profit education and preferably make all universities public.

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Post by glitchc »

rcdmd wrote: post #24
glitchc wrote: post #9

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If I may ask, how exactly do you have the time to be both a resident and a software developer? There aren't enough hours in the day. Do you even sleep?

Heh, I'll chime in as I did residency at a busy program and advanced my coding skills on the side. Even working 80hr+ weeks you find downtime. Some of that you use for sleeping and studying. With whatever's left, some of my co-residents liked to read. Others had sort of social lives outside the hospital. For me, I coded with most of my freetime. It helped scratch an itch-- problems are solved with 100% certainty, err…

To parent and others, with due respect, I assumed that the OP was a professional software developer, based on the phrasing about using software to pay bills. Coding on your own time is more so a hobby, but as soon as you try to make money from it, even consulting on the side, the hours pile up. There's opening your own business, contracting, soliciting clients, meetings, status updates... way more than just the programming aspect.

So in these cases, we talking coding as a hobby, or coding as a profession alongside medicine?

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