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Facing $17B in Fire Damages, a CEO Blames Climate Change

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Re: Facing $17B in Fire Damages, a CEO Blames Climate Change

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This is why the rest of the world has abandoned above-ground power lines in favor of secure underground power lines. Fewer fires, fewer black outs...

Only residential cables run underground really, high voltage is most of the time high up above ground because isolating it is nasty business.

Re: Facing $17B in Fire Damages, a CEO Blames Climate Change

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This is why the rest of the world has abandoned above-ground power lines in favor of secure underground power lines. Fewer fires, fewer black outs...

There is nowhere in the world that power lines are put underground unless there is a reason they can't go above ground: dense urban area, unable to secure a right-of-way, crossing another piece of linear infrastructure like a highway, etc.. It's way more expensive to go underground, it causes technical challenges at high voltage necessitating additional, expensive infrastructure like capacitor banks and point-on-wave…

Finland is moving quite a lot of power lines underground especially in the middle of forests, because falling trees are a problem during a seasonal storm[0]. I'm not sure how this cheaper than cutting down the trees though. Sadly most of the information is in Finnish.

>In reality, the difference in the status of power lines between Canada and Finland is not so clear-cut. As things stand now, 11% of power lines in Québec (my province of Canada) are buried, while this number is approximately 42% in Finland. The main difference though, is that Finland has an active strategy to increase this number to 65% by 2029. Helen, the energy company for Helsinki, already operates a power network buried at 97,7%.

The new law seems to demand that power outages must not be longer than 6 hours within cities or 36 hours on rural areas[1][2].

[0] https://www.tys.fi/power-lines-buried-finland-not-canada/ [1] https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-6927938 [2] https://www.tekniikkatalous.fi/tekniikka/katkoton-sahko-vie-...

Re: Facing $17B in Fire Damages, a CEO Blames Climate Change

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At a certain point, it's going to cost less to cover every sun facing surface in ultra low cost photovoltaics, and have on site battery storage, than to maintain, replace and repair last mile power lines and middle-mile + long distance high voltage lines. Imagine eliminating all of the salary and benefit costs for thousands of linemen, bucket trucks, insurance, consumables, transformers, substations, not to mention t…

What happens when it's cloudy for a few days and the batteries are dead?

Why are the batteries dead? Anyway you might be able to run a cable to your next door neighbour. I know of people who already sell solar power to their neighbours.

Re: Facing $17B in Fire Damages, a CEO Blames Climate Change

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What happens when it's cloudy for a few days and the batteries are dead?

Why are the batteries dead? Anyway you might be able to run a cable to your next door neighbour. I know of people who already sell solar power to their neighbours.

Batteries die when it's too cloudy for solar panels to keep them charged. And unless "you" are a licensed electrician it's highly dangerous and irresponsible to run a cable to another house. That's how fires get started and people get electrocuted. In most of the developed world it's easier, safer, and cheaper to keep a grid connection for backup even if you generate most of your own power.

Re: Facing $17B in Fire Damages, a CEO Blames Climate Change

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Bloomberg should hire writers that know how to proofread their writing: "He’s proposed a bill that would lesson utilities’ exposure to damages from fires, citing climate change." That tends to "lesson" their credibility.

Enlighten me, what's the typo?

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Re: Facing $17B in Fire Damages, a CEO Blames Climate Change

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There's plenty of western states on fire right now with robust logging industries.

Which? Oregon and Washington are a small fraction of what they used to be. Federal laws (endagered species act, etc) killed off the vast majority of it, and decimated many small towns.

Idaho and Montana.

Re: Facing $17B in Fire Damages, a CEO Blames Climate Change

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If you do the math, I'd guess PG&E's share of the blame is maybe a millionth of a percent.

let's see. PG&E sells 970 billion cubic feet of gas per year [1] and the most recent study I could find pegs the CO2 output of electrical generation at 456 lbs per MWh in 2007 [2] (which is pretty low), and generated or bought about 80 terawatt-hours in 2014 [3] 456 lbs * 80,000,000 megawatt-hours = 36.5 billion lbs CO2 or 1.65 million metric tons from electrical generation/purchased generated power. Natural gas rele…

I really appreciate you doing the math.

But the cause of global warming today is the accumulated global production of CO₂ since the start of industrialism a few centuries back.

I'll be less ambitious than you and not attempt to compute the number by my definition.

Re: Facing $17B in Fire Damages, a CEO Blames Climate Change

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She isn't setting this up as a court case. She's trying to manufacture enough political cover for the governor and various other cronies to plausibly save her firm from its self-imposed predicament. They can pass any law they want, if the voting public is confused enough.

so confused we think its very nice of the legislative branch (or is it the executive) to show the judicial branch how its done?

"California Bill Would Shield PG&E, Edison from Some Wildfire Liability"

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/west/2018/04/26/487452...

On a national level, the same thing happened for ATT etc. when Room 641A was exposed to public scrutiny. Otherwise there would have been lots of lawsuits on that. Actually, aside from the post facto nature of these particular laws, I'm glad that the courts have to defer to the legislature in defining the Law. Judges are on average even more corrupt than legislators.

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