Is there any field AT ALL where males are underprivileged and they are somehow helped compared to females ?
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#52I mean, we've almost gone full loop, so why not just tell them you identify as a woman ?
If they support this debauchery that is the "new-wave feminism" (my SO is a feminist, I support the cause and acknowledge that disparities exist in today's world, but what some so called "feminists" are fighting for today is... and its only made worse by the fact that the crazy ones are the ones that get publicized), they have no right to refuse you identifying as a woman. (I have no quarrels with non-binary genders or anything of the sort, simply trying to point out that we are `this` far away from a real life idiocracy)
Went to a Vue conference recently that offered a "women only" workshop... I mean at what point do people realize that they are the INCARNATION of what they fight against ? How hard can that be ?
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can discrimination be positive? It seems by design the very concept is negative.
Discrimination, just as the Latin word it derives from, is a process through which you distinguish between multiple groups or people. Just like to discern . The way you choose to to the distinction might be unfair: you either put someone at a disadvantage, or give them an unfair advantage. Most usage was focused on unfair disadvantage but it can be either really.
But by giving someone an advantage you then immediately give a disadvantage to the ones not within the group you have chosen to advance. Even if perhaps your original intention was merely to do the opposite and help people.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Men offered a £3,000 sweetener to induce them to train as nurses" - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/18/men-offered-3000...
Ah, there's an offer. And it sounds pretty sweet. Then I went to the article and it says that it is a £30,000 fund. So that's enough for 10 male nurses :/
Good for them.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are thresholds and regimes for many things in life. And Stripe probably thinks that there are so few female founders, that to get to a healthy state of things they need to "affirmatively actionize" them. I don't know if they are right or not, but it can be argued that to correct hundreds of years of negative discrimination you need some positive discrimination.
Can discrimination be positive? It seems by design the very concept is negative.
Due to path dependency of history it's silly to look at proposed policies in an idealized world (or in a vacuum as physicists would say).
So the question becomes who much unfairness is now due to the past practices (the past negative discrimination of women), and can that be corrected through giving some kind of advantage to women?
Maybe the answer is that none at all, because people will just think that every women founder is just there because of the gratis advantage.
Or maybe it'll really help push a lot of women toward entrepreneurship and the market won't look at how they started.
I bet Stripe did a lot of discussion about this and they are at least somewhat better informed than us. (And since Atlas is available internationally it could help a lot of women to break out of their respective seemingly hopeless situation - 500 USD is worth a lot in quite a few places in the world.)
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes it "for female founders"?
zhangela's inability to read?
Since the title has now been rephrased to something more representative of what Stripe is doing, I have to point out that my comment was made when the original title that zhangela made caused an absolute shitstorm
I can't delete it now, so don't downvote it unless you're aware of the context it was made in
I'm not a fan of the mod teams decision to unflag this with a rephrased title, as the discussions that were spawned by the original title really don't belong
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are thresholds and regimes for many things in life. And Stripe probably thinks that there are so few female founders, that to get to a healthy state of things they need to "affirmatively actionize" them. I don't know if they are right or not, but it can be argued that to correct hundreds of years of negative discrimination you need some positive discrimination.
Can discrimination be positive? It seems by design the very concept is negative.
How about a discount at the zoo for children?
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#58I get the intent here and applaud encouraging female participation and equality, but this is pretty much just discrimination based on sex.
There are thresholds and regimes for many things in life. And Stripe probably thinks that there are so few female founders, that to get to a healthy state of things they need to "affirmatively actionize" them. I don't know if they are right or not, but it can be argued that to correct hundreds of years of negative discrimination you need some positive discrimination.
No just remove barriers to entry so everyone has an equal opportunity. Positive discrimination not needed.
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#59Since the offer is actually open to "anyone", I will suggest the title of the piece is more intended to say something like "Yes, even you women! The word anyone is not code for any white male with SV connections. Honest!"
A lot of underrepresented people know that generic invitations don't really mean they are also invited. It's really only open to the existing in-crowd. As a woman who gets a lot of reactions that suggest to me that women are not supposed to so much as initiate conversations with men, I can kind of understand the logic here.
Having been burned by an extremely toxic classist group where, no, the rules absolutely are not the same for "the wrong kind of people" -- by which we mean poor people (in this case, though they also do really shitty things to anyone who can't somehow establish in-group standing) -- I can understand why a lot of members of underprivileged groups err on the side of "They don't really mean me when they say anyone/everyone."
My mind doesn't work that way. I generally take folks at their word, even when I know they may not really mean it -- and recently got banned from a forum for doing so because they were full of shit and didn't mean any of the high minded BS that came out of their lying mouths. I'm willing to live with that.
But I'm also very well aware that if you get that result often enough, shunning can mean you de facto have no income at all, there is no place for you to go, etc. It can be essentially a death sentence, and I don't mean metaphorically. I mean literally.
I don't know what the fix is. I'm not really all that crazy about the framing of this promo. But my suspicion is that is the real impetus here -- to make sure women don't feel that the subtext is "Not really you, though we say anyone."
And, honestly, I don't have a better answer, so I'm not going to dog them for it.
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#60Since the offer is actually open to "anyone", I will suggest the title of the piece is more intended to say something like "Yes, even you women! The word anyone is not code for any white male with SV connections . Honest!" A lot of underrepresented people know that generic invitations don't really mean they are also invited. It's really only open to the existing in-crowd. As a woman who gets a lot of reactions that s…
This is a confusing, nonsensical rant, which is unfortunate because I feel like you're trying to make a good point but for the life of me I can't figure out what the hell it is.