Since Google has compiled with EU censorship why is this a big deal anymore? Or are we admitting to having double standards when it comes to China?
Google Needs to Come Clean About Its Chinese Plans
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Re: Google Needs to Come Clean About Its Chinese Plans
#82It is simply not possible to both cooperate with the Chinese (or, to a lesser extent, any other) government against its citizens and remain transparent. Part of this type of cooperation includes a requirement by the government for opacity. This is easier for less-principled and/or more closed companies. You can only not-cooperate transparently (and even then, only sometimes). The real problem is you can't have a we'l…
> Just stop requiring growth at all costs, chalk up the China (and military) market as a loss, and continue operating at your massively profitable status quo.
This is what Google did initially; instead of censoring themselves like the Chinese government demanded, they opted to leave the Chinese market entirely.
But that's almost ten years ago now; meanwhile, the Chinese economy / GDP has doubled, its connected population has more than doubled, and Chinese internet companies have entrenched themselves. China will - if it isn't already - be the biggest potential market for internet companies.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
r u suggesting that we are the target of a Russian influence campaign?
Nice reference of CNN populist talking points. Anyone with a laptop, agenda, and free time can work to sway public opinion. For instance, your account is 28 days old. Not to exclude you from the conversation, but poor comments from new accounts does look dubious. Ardy42 is new as of 47 days
Not to exclude you from the conversation, but your account is newer than mine and your recent comments look dubious.
Re: Google Needs to Come Clean About Its Chinese Plans
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
But how did you get the Google Fiber in Beijing? * edit: grammar.
Presumably this is Project Fi (fi.google.com) rather than Google Fiber...
> Presumably this is Project Fi (fi.google.com) rather than Google Fiber...
Interesting. Hadn't come across it before.
Re: Google Needs to Come Clean About Its Chinese Plans
#85I'm seeing a lot of anti Chinese propaganda these days. I come from a small country whose first priority is always the economy so it seems awfully shortsighted. China isn't going to disappear you know. Best learn to get along.
Re: Google Needs to Come Clean About Its Chinese Plans
#86Why? It’s not like they’re using slave labor. Google will reveal their plans if and when it suits them.
Some people believe we have to apply the same Western, liberal standard to all nations of the Earth.
Re: Google Needs to Come Clean About Its Chinese Plans
#87It is simply not possible to both cooperate with the Chinese (or, to a lesser extent, any other) government against its citizens and remain transparent. Part of this type of cooperation includes a requirement by the government for opacity. This is easier for less-principled and/or more closed companies. You can only not-cooperate transparently (and even then, only sometimes). The real problem is you can't have a we'l…
> Just stop requiring growth at all costs, chalk up the China (and military) market as a loss, and continue operating at your massively profitable status quo. This is what Google did initially; instead of censoring themselves like the Chinese government demanded, they opted to leave the Chinese market entirely. But that's almost ten years ago now; meanwhile, the Chinese economy / GDP has doubled, its connected popula…
"If we ignore China it will go away" hasn't worked. I doubt Google can re-enter the market and be successful though. Their local competitors are well entrenched and Google doesn't offer anything new.
Re: Google Needs to Come Clean About Its Chinese Plans
#88It is simply not possible to both cooperate with the Chinese (or, to a lesser extent, any other) government against its citizens and remain transparent. Part of this type of cooperation includes a requirement by the government for opacity. This is easier for less-principled and/or more closed companies. You can only not-cooperate transparently (and even then, only sometimes). The real problem is you can't have a we'l…
> Just stop requiring growth at all costs, chalk up the China (and military) market as a loss, and continue operating at your massively profitable status quo. This is what Google did initially; instead of censoring themselves like the Chinese government demanded, they opted to leave the Chinese market entirely. But that's almost ten years ago now; meanwhile, the Chinese economy / GDP has doubled, its connected popula…
Google should have been building tools for bypassing the great wall of china since 2006 when they first caved into setting up a censored search engine.
Think of the market potential of being the niche underground websearch in china.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it was my only alternative to baidu, maybe.
A search engine as an app? You type some phrases into an app, the app displays results in a webview, you click the SERP, then what? a browser opens? Why don't you use the browser on your phone directly for searching? That's why I think Google is working on some ROM feature, not an app. Or maybe there are some misudnerstanding from the "source" If it's an app it's doomed to fail.
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Re: Google Needs to Come Clean About Its Chinese Plans
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it was my only alternative to baidu, maybe.
A search engine as an app? You type some phrases into an app, the app displays results in a webview, you click the SERP, then what? a browser opens? Why don't you use the browser on your phone directly for searching? That's why I think Google is working on some ROM feature, not an app. Or maybe there are some misudnerstanding from the "source" If it's an app it's doomed to fail.
Are you aware of the fact that Google has search apps on both iOS Appstore and Android Playstore?
If you want to know who is using such apps, look up the reviews on them.