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Re: Katie's New Face

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

IshKebab wrote: post #257
xeromal wrote: post #5

It takes a brave soul to wake up every day and face the world after sustaining facial damage like that. I start feeling insecure after getting some acne on my face. May she be blessed for remaining strong.

Yeah especially because it was a result of a suicide attempt in the first place. If you try to kill yourself after your boyfriend cheats on you, how do you not after this? Also, yet another reason why America's gun laws are stupid. She wouldn't have shot herself in England.

She might've just overdosed on something or jumped off a bridge in England. You don't need a gun to commit suicide.

Also the US has gun laws and gun owners organizations, they all agree that at home, you should store your guns in a locked container.

Re: Katie's New Face

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Post by jfsid »

saudioger wrote: post #45

I'd like to think I could be as strong as this woman, but I honestly don't know if I could be... I don't know if a person should have to be. I hope the procedure can manage to give her some small semblance of peace.

The article alleged they weren't going to work with her if they deemed her at risk of trying to take her life again. I think it's anyone's guess what is going on in her mind, given that expressing any doubt her is worth living would result in future refusals to help (such as in the event her body rejects this face).

As someone who sincerely has every intention of "being strong", my current behavior is indistinguishable from the times I was pretending to be strong due to the huge cost of behaving otherwise.

Re: Katie's New Face

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Post by redlorryyellow »

IshKebab wrote: post #257
xeromal wrote: post #5

It takes a brave soul to wake up every day and face the world after sustaining facial damage like that. I start feeling insecure after getting some acne on my face. May she be blessed for remaining strong.

Yeah especially because it was a result of a suicide attempt in the first place. If you try to kill yourself after your boyfriend cheats on you, how do you not after this? Also, yet another reason why America's gun laws are stupid. She wouldn't have shot herself in England.

This is a point that a lot of people don't think about. America's gun laws make it a lot easier to attempt suicide, while putting less thought in about the act.

I am British, and have contemplated it numerous times, but the effort involved in driving to a cliff, or creating a noose, or just the worry about doing it wrong, has stopped me.

If it were as simple as (getting drunk and) pulling a trigger, I would no longer be here.

Re: Katie's New Face

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Post by DanBC »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #261
IshKebab wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah especially because it was a result of a suicide attempt in the first place. If you try to kill yourself after your boyfriend cheats on you, how do you not after this? Also, yet another reason why America's gun laws are stupid. She wouldn't have shot herself in England.

She might've just overdosed on something or jumped off a bridge in England. You don't need a gun to commit suicide. Also the US has gun laws and gun owners organizations, they all agree that at home, you should store your guns in a locked container.

Guns are usually instantly fatal and available in the home.

Overdosing is dangerous, but it's less lethal than gunshot.

Falls from high places are dangerous, but it requires the person makes a plan to travel to that location which doesn't fit for the rapid onset nature of many suicide attempts. Death by falls and fracture (these include jumping in front of trains) account for a small number of deaths by suicide. So, people can do it. But they tend not to do it. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...

Re: Katie's New Face

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Post by redlorryyellow »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #261
IshKebab wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah especially because it was a result of a suicide attempt in the first place. If you try to kill yourself after your boyfriend cheats on you, how do you not after this? Also, yet another reason why America's gun laws are stupid. She wouldn't have shot herself in England.

She might've just overdosed on something or jumped off a bridge in England. You don't need a gun to commit suicide. Also the US has gun laws and gun owners organizations, they all agree that at home, you should store your guns in a locked container.

No, you don't need a gun, but it makes it a hell of a lot easier, and the extra effort involved to do it without a gun often stops people.

Re: Katie's New Face

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Post by azernik »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #160
goodells wrote: post #142

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I’m only an EMT, but I can try to answer this for you. The organ donor was brain dead, but the heart continued to beat and a ventilator was used. The organs would stay perfused with oxygen and nutrients and the surgery would be performed as if the donor were otherwise alive. Surgery is inherently risky - risks include spontaneous bleeding or clotting that could abruptly end the organ recovery. I believe this is the s…

As an EMT do you frequently witness people being pronounced/determined brain dead? If so what does it look like? I can't imagine an EEG device being attached to each presumed dead patient to double check? Or is that in fact what happens to each patient dying in the care of a hospital? I am very fascinated about the possible technology involved for monitorinng the state of these organs while the face was being removed…

There's a very interesting New Yorker article on this topic, specifically when it comes to organ transplantation: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/02/05/what-does-it-m...

Re: Katie's New Face

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Post by gadders »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #57
jdoliner wrote: post #10

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I think I remember reading that the DoD deserves credit for the entire field of plastic surgery, it was originally pioneered to help soldiers who had suffered disfigurement in combat. Only later did it become something for civilian augmentation.

Close - an Ally. It was Gilles at the Royal Army Medical Corps in WW1 who pioneered skin grafts and plastic surgery. He'd done thousands of facial reconstructions by war's end. He set up a plastic surgery clinic between the wars. A relative of his, McIndoe, became famous (the better known of the two today) for his work in WW2 for pioneering and inventing many treatments for burn victims. Burns had become a common inj…

I recently managed to set fire to my legs, and can confirm that the unit founded by McIndoe is still going in Queen Victoria Hospital in East Grinstead [1] Luckily, my wounds weren't severe and I only needed to be treated there as an outpatient.

[1] https://www.qvh.nhs.uk/our-services/plastic-surgery-and-burn...

Re: Katie's New Face

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Post by dbbk »

sDlEzAtyoNAz wrote: post #105
dbbk wrote: post #91

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What are the odds of that happening to you though? I don't know what the actual statistics are but it seems highly improbable. And it doesn't seem logical to me that a criminal who wants to (i.e. rob you) is really going to actually shoot and kill you to do it.

That's hugely dependent on who you are and where you live and so on, but there are estimated to be around 6 million violent crimes per year, or about 55 people per violent crime. Of course many people are victimized more than once, so you can't easily extrapolate to how likely a random person is to be victimized. Either way, over a lifespan, that is a significant risk. >And it doesn't seem logical to me that a crimin…

> What you're missing is that I don't want someone to rob me.

Of course.

> I don't want my family to ever be at the mercy of a violent thug.

No one does.

> They ultimately depend upon me for their safety, and I am going to do what I can to guarantee it.

Buy a pepper spray? What do you need a weapon of killing for?

Re: Katie's New Face

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Post by gambiting »

Markoff wrote: post #215
mmirate wrote: post #170

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Indeed. If you're hunting large animals, you want to cause plenty of destruction to a vital location in a single shot, so that the animal dies quickly and humanely. (And you certainly don't shoot at their face, parallel to their face.) If you own dangerous tools that don't happen to be useful outside hunting (bolt-action, small magazine, high-penetration cartridges), you also want to store the dangerous tool in a sec…

why anyone need to hunt animals again? killing animals for fun seem like odd hobby in country so focused on no harm done during shooting movie or other times to any animals, seem animals there get better treatment than many citizens with exception of hunting

Especially in the US, deer are extremely destructive to any environment they appear in, with herds numbering hundreds of thousands and eating every crop they happen upon. They were allowed to grow that much, partially because we have killed their natural predators, but also because hunting them has been aggressively frowned upon for decades now. So any suggestion of culling the herds is immediately and fiercely met with groups protesting any sort of hunting, without offering any sort of alternative solution.
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