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Katie's New Face

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Re: Katie's New Face

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That was a difficult article (pictures actually) to read. It shows (to me at least) how intimately our humanity is linked to a face that passes our own internal pattern matching heuristics. I'm not proud to admit my initial thought was not how difficult life must be for her but rather how deformed her face was. But then I was proud that my (our) inherent human intelligence and morality was able to put that thought as…

> It shows (to me at least) how intimately our humanity is linked to a face that passes our own internal pattern matching heuristics.

Well said. Even as our culture purportedly idealizes the value of a person's inner being rather than appearances, one of the uncomfortable things this story drove home to me is -- I can't say it better than you have: "how intimately our humanity is linked to a face".

The image used in the meta-tag for preview/social-media is especially striking to me: several surgeons crowd around the face to be transplanted as it lies, disconnected, as if it were just a Halloween mask: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/magazine/righ...

It brought to mind a memorable passage in David Simon's book, "Homicide", in which he describes the most disturbing stage of an autopsy:

> In the final phase of the internal exam, the pathologist uses the electric saw to cut the circumference of the skull, the top of which is then popped upward with a lever-like tool. Pulling from behind the ears, the skin of the victim’s scalp is then folded forward across the face so that any head wound can be tracked and the brain itself can be removed, weighed and examined for disease. For observers, the detectives included, this last stage of the autopsy is perhaps the hardest. The sound of the saw, the cranial pop from the lever, the image of the facial skin being covered by scalp—nothing makes the dead seem quite so anonymous as when the visage of every individual is folded in upon itself in a rubbery contortion, as if we’ve all been wandering this earth wearing dimestore Halloween masks, so easily and indifferently removed.

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If you want to go that route, then you'll need to also remove the following instruments: * Ropes or any kind of cords that can be used for hanging * Blades of any kind (kitchen knives, scissors, box cutters, utility knives, etc.) * Anything that can be sharpened into a point that can puncture flesh * Any kind of chemical substance that can be deadly in sufficient quantities. * Any bodies of water where one can drown…

None of those leave you without one of the most fundamental parts of your identity if you mess up the attempt.

About all risk leaving you with severe brain damage. Suffocation, bleeding out.

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Perhaps if there are no instruments at hand that allow the young to act on such a disastrous suicidal impulse, at least some of these incidents could be prevented.

If you're arguing for proper storage of guns, I completely agree with you. If you're arguing that we should reduce gun ownership to save lives, you're ignoring how many lives are saved by private ownership of guns. Unfortunately, no one keeps track of this statistic, but the CDC estimates between 500,000 and 3,000,000 lives are saved in any given year [0]. This study only provides an estimate, but still, compare that…

The CDC is banned from investigating gun deaths, so is unable to produce an unbiased result. ("Dickey Amendment")

Re: Katie's New Face

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Seems to me she wants to live. I am not sure anyone would go through with that surgery if they did not want to live. Edit: Reading more about the story. Her suicide attempt was entirely impulsive and not premeditated at all. > "I never thought of doing that ever before, and so on hearing about it, I just didn't know how to handle it," she told National Geographic. "I felt so guilty that I had put my family through su…

If you want to talk about inappropriate, talking about gun control in relation to this story is COMPLETELY inappropriate here. This 100% is a story about suicide, hence my comment about assisted suicide.

One of the key measures to reduce death by suicide is to reduce access to means and methods, especially if they are more lethal.

This means you put high fences up around the top floor of a multistorey carpark. (At least one car park in the UK has completely closed the top, open, floor.) It means you put barriers up by bridges. It means you teach gun owners to be more responsible when storing their guns and you consider whether the x0,000 suicide deaths to guns each year are a price worth paying for the benefit of ... well, whatever the fuck gun owners think the benefit is.

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This is an overwhelming story. I'm awed, amazed, and filled with a strange sense of almost religious reverence for the surgeons' work, the family's struggle, and the gumption it must take to endure the suffering. Just wow.

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> Much of Katie’s care is being paid for by the Department of Defense, because her youth and ballistic trauma make her a stand-in for wounded warriors. For the rest of her life, she’ll take powerful antirejection drugs with risks of their own, becoming a lifelong subject in the study of this still experimental surgery. Kudos to the DoD for doing this. The military historically has been the driver for advances in surg…

Even better would be not losing her face to begin with. This was preventable. Am I the only one to notice the events that led up to this? 1. Young girl moves multiple times due to her parent’s jobs, causing for stress and anxiety. 2. Girl finds stability and passion when she is granted an encouraging educational experience/environment at a private school where her parents both found contract jobs. 3. Parents both los…

The problem with this argument is the simple fact that thousands of people attempt suicide every year even when they have all the stability in the world.

To assume that this was preventable is to assume that attempted suicides are always caused by your social situation, and not something inherently primal inside you.

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Content aside, the usability of this layout needs some work. Its very "page-focused" with each image having a small bit of overlaid text content, but the breaks between pages are impossible to tell because the actual content only scrolls a tiny vertical amount and then suddenly changes pages before fading in the next bit of text. Using page up/down jumps to random spots instead of to a natural break with the next pag…

> Content aside, the usability of this layout

Come on, do we really need this comment on every post? Especially this one?

Re: Katie's New Face

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I couldn't read past the first few paragraphs, just killed me. Does the story have a happy ending?

As happy as you could possibly get in this situation. Katie would be a "professional patient" all her life, but she can at least go out in public without everyone staring at her. She wouldn't look normal - perhaps ever - but with a scarft and some glasses, she'd melt right into any crowd. Which is a mighty achievement.

Re: Katie's New Face

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Close - an Ally. It was Gilles at the Royal Army Medical Corps in WW1 who pioneered skin grafts and plastic surgery. He'd done thousands of facial reconstructions by war's end. He set up a plastic surgery clinic between the wars. A relative of his, McIndoe, became famous (the better known of the two today) for his work in WW2 for pioneering and inventing many treatments for burn victims. Burns had become a common inj…

The Germans during WW2 had the best plastic surgery for burns.

Do you have any citations or history books you'd recommend? That flies in the face of everything I've ever seen or read, and is not mentioned, even briefly, on Wikipedia as far as I can see.

McIndoe gets extensive entries both for himself and under plastic surgery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_McIndoe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_surgery#Development_of...

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