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What It Takes to Hold Your Breath for 24 Minutes (2017)

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He does start with a lung full of pure oxygen.

That seems like a poor idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity

Watch the TED talk linked elsewhere in the thread, there are many, many things he talks about doing that are also poor ideas.

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What blows my mind is the guys that actually perform activities diving while holding their breathe for similarly long durations. Learning to control your body in idle circumstances is impressive in a meditative sense, but how people manage comparable durations while physically active is a different thing entirely.

Some people seem to have _evolved_ to be able to hold their breath (over 12 minutes) and work. Look for the "sea nomads", there have been articles about them recently, a recent (2016) research ( https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(18)30386-6 ) suggests that their ability could be because they evolved a larger spleen (which helps with red blood cells).

I thought it was interesting that there are also sea nomad children who are able to see clearly underwater: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160229-the-sea-nomad-child...

Although that skill didn't evolve. It's just something kids can do with practice, and the ability is lost as we age and our lenses become less flexible.

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Doesn't the brain start to die after 10-15 minutes without oxygen? How could he possibly go that long without breathing without suffering any brain damage? I remember when David Blaine was going for the records, the biggest concern was that he would irreversibly and severely damage his brain.

Your brain starts to die without any oxygen, but not breathing is not the same as not giving your brain any O2. Your blood cells buffer amount of O2 for use and CO2 ready for removal, which is how an untrained person is able to hold their breath and not die. When you stop breathing, consumption of O2 continues until CO2 builds up to a threshold point, triggering a desperate need to breathe (humans cannot actually det…

I read that some free divers advised against hyperventilating. Instead they suggested to train to control urges to breathe despite rising CO2 in blood. This is much more difficult, but this way one keeps a solid indicator of dangerously low oxygen level.

Re: What It Takes to Hold Your Breath for 24 Minutes (2017)

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PSA: Trying to hold your breath for a long time is dangerous, especially if you hyperventilate first. People die this way. The hyperventilation thing is because your brain needs oxygen to live, but your impulse to breathe is driven by carbon dioxide saturation. When you hyperventilate, you get rid of a ton of carbon dioxide, and you can get into a situation where you don't have enough CO2 buildup to trigger the signa…

It's more than that. Hemoglobin will preferentially release Oxygen in low pH (acidic) conditions and take up Oxygen in high pH (alkaline) conditions. CO2 in the blood increases acidity, so the result of this behavior is that hemoglobin will release Oxygen in parts of the body where CO2 concentrations are higher and will pick up Oxygen in areas where CO2 concentrations are very low. If you hyperventilate then you remove CO2 from your blood, reducing its ability to deliver Oxygen to tissues due to reduced acidity. This conditions, called hypocapnia, leads to vasoconstriction of blood vessels in the brain, which can cause even lower Oxygen uptake in the brain, as well as bronchoconstriction. This can cause you to blackout and can, in combination with the mechanism you've described, result in decreased ventilation when breathing resumes.

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for sharing - that was an incredible story. I find David Blaine fascinating because many of his magic tricks aren't tricks per se, he just does things that would be unthinkable for the average person. For instance he often takes a bite out of a wine glass and chews it up, and it seems like there must be some trick to it, except in one of his TV specials he goes to a dentist and reveals that his teeth are all w…

This one is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAs11gkqKE . Ricky Gevais: "Sorry sorry David seriously, this isn't a trick. You're just sticking a needle through your fucking arm. What are you doing? That's fucking horrible. You're a maniac. That's the worst thing I've ever seen in my life."

Why was there no blood?

Re: What It Takes to Hold Your Breath for 24 Minutes (2017)

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post #13

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This one is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAs11gkqKE . Ricky Gevais: "Sorry sorry David seriously, this isn't a trick. You're just sticking a needle through your fucking arm. What are you doing? That's fucking horrible. You're a maniac. That's the worst thing I've ever seen in my life."

Why was there no blood?

I think the way the trick is done is he essentially has a healed piercing all the way through his arm. So he only had to go through the pain once and can now do the trick whenever he likes so long as he keeps the piercing open.

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post #17

What blows my mind is the guys that actually perform activities diving while holding their breathe for similarly long durations. Learning to control your body in idle circumstances is impressive in a meditative sense, but how people manage comparable durations while physically active is a different thing entirely.

Some people seem to have _evolved_ to be able to hold their breath (over 12 minutes) and work. Look for the "sea nomads", there have been articles about them recently, a recent (2016) research ( https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(18)30386-6 ) suggests that their ability could be because they evolved a larger spleen (which helps with red blood cells).

They measured a difference in spleen size between the "sea nomads" and some neighboring group of farmers.

However, all the news stories neglected to mention that the sea nomads still had smaller spleens than average humans overall.

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That seems like a poor idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity

oxygen toxicity at sea level (1 atmosphere of pressure) would require a 140% oxygen mixture - it's only when you go to higher pressure environments (eg 10m underwater = 2 atm) that it becomes an issue (at 2atm, 70% oxygen is toxic; at 4atm, 35% oxygen is toxic, etc - regular air is 21% oxygen, which becomes toxic around 7atm aka 60m underwater)

You’re generally on the right track, just off slightly. In the scuba diving world 1.4atm partial pressure of Oxygen is generally considered the maximum safe partial pressure when working (ie swimming). 1.5 atm for rest. This makes the depth limit for regular air to be 216 feet. Though there are a lot of divers who dove deeper than that befor trimix became so common.

Re: What It Takes to Hold Your Breath for 24 Minutes (2017)

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post #20

PSA: Trying to hold your breath for a long time is dangerous, especially if you hyperventilate first. People die this way. The hyperventilation thing is because your brain needs oxygen to live, but your impulse to breathe is driven by carbon dioxide saturation. When you hyperventilate, you get rid of a ton of carbon dioxide, and you can get into a situation where you don't have enough CO2 buildup to trigger the signa…

CO2 levels rise to unhealthy levels (700ppm) within a few hours of a typical bedroom if you keep the doors and windows closed. Its also why Submarines have CO2 scrubbers.

Re: What It Takes to Hold Your Breath for 24 Minutes (2017)

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On this topic, David Blaine's TED talk about holding his breath for 17 minutes is probably the most interesting TED talk there is. https://www.ted.com/talks/david_blaine_how_i_held_my_breath_...

Thanks for sharing - that was an incredible story. I find David Blaine fascinating because many of his magic tricks aren't tricks per se, he just does things that would be unthinkable for the average person. For instance he often takes a bite out of a wine glass and chews it up, and it seems like there must be some trick to it, except in one of his TV specials he goes to a dentist and reveals that his teeth are all w…

Much more of it is a trick than David Blaine says so. I think Penn Jillette put it quite well: "Do you really believe a magician who last week was doing car tricks but this week is doing 'real' magic?"(paraphrased).

Remember: Magicians are allowed to lie. Sometimes it's just a simple thing like "I never touched the deck of cards" when actually they were holding them at the start of the trick. Other times it is fake explanation. "I am reading you using psychology" is a popular one with mentalists. Other people on a magicians TV show may lie too.

I don't know the particular David Blaine trick you are talking about, but I wouldn't be surprised if he does not actually chew on real glass.

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