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New Zealand Passes Law to Crack Down on Foreign Home Buyers

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Re: New Zealand Passes Law to Crack Down on Foreign Home Buyers

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Doesn't matter if it's rented or not, it drives the price up either way.

If it’s rented out to a local or sold to a local, the ratio of buildings to locals is the same. Supply or demand (or things outside this context such was wages) has to change for prices to change.

You assume that the ratio of buildings to locals is the sole input for real estate prices.

If an external rentier enters the market and realizes yield, other rentiers will follow. This increases demand for housing assets, not necessarily housing utility. this is the problem they are trying to solve.

Re: New Zealand Passes Law to Crack Down on Foreign Home Buyers

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As much as I like this solution it always seemed to me that if the problem was too many people buying houses the best thing to do would be to build more houses.

Sounds like a great idea, but NZ is struggling to build fast enough. NZ has a terrible attitude where everyone must have a backyard, and public transport is horrendous, so moving further out often isn’t much of a solution. The current govt promised to build ambitious numbers of new affordable homes, but I haven’t seen any strategy on how they plan to execute on it.

> NZ has a terrible attitude where everyone must have a backyard, and public transport is horrendous, so moving further out often isn’t much of a solution.

Oddly enough, other places with that attitude are the same ones where moving further out is a solution. Pejoratively dubbed "sprawl", there is less focus on centralized things like limited property sizes and intra-city public transportation. If the land is available, it offers reasonable scale despite the detracting urbanites' cries of culture loss.

Maybe it's not the attitude that's terrible, but the inability to support it possibly caused by people not embracing the reality that the attitude exists.

Re: New Zealand Passes Law to Crack Down on Foreign Home Buyers

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Seems reasonable to me. Housing should be for housing people, not a speculative financial investment. It's reasonable for cities to ask that people show that they have some skin in the game, that they're living, working, paying taxes and contributing to and enhancing the community.

If they own a house, they are paying taxes, so they do have significant skin in the game. They pay property taxes despite not using the local schools or most other city services. As far as not allowing housing as a speculative financial investment, there are some significant unintended consequences there.

Yes, what is the target problem really?

Do you want to ban vacant or mostly vacant housing stock for its constriction of housing supplies? Why only foreign owned? Don't vacant holiday or investment homes of residents have the same impact?

Do you also want to ban renter occupied homes where a landlord is profiting excessively? How do you define excessive? Why only foreign landlords? Don't domestic landlords have the same impact? Don't investment trusts have the same impact, regardless of who owns the shares? Or is there a problem with your tax system, so the foreign-consumed profits are not taxed at the source?

If you dislike speculative investment, shouldn't you really dislike renter occupied homes where the landlord isn't profiting? They might accept a tenant at a partial loss, as long as it costs less than holding the property vacant, but this behavior depends on their speculative expectation that the future value is worth the holding costs. It is not sustainable for rent to be lower than the total holding costs (taxes, maintenance, depreciation, risk).

It is interesting to imagine a strict owner-occupation requirement. Nobody can own a home they don't live in as primary residence. Obviously, that means nobody can own a second home unless you zone some special vacation-home areas. And nobody can become a landlord, owning and operating rental properties. No person and no corporation nor trust. Ignoring the obvious disaster of how to get there from here, how would such an economy work? Does everybody at every income level get access to financing to buy their own home? It's hard to define a similar rule for commercial properties, since corporations can fractionally live in many places and it will be hard to define a minimum occupation density to distinguish real use of a commercial property from token use of a speculative holding. The same problem applies to wealthy home owners---what's the difference between a huge estate/mansion and an apartment building other than resident density?

At the other extreme, what about a strict public-owner requirement? What if every property had to be owned by a trust available on open markets? Everyone could buy into shares of every trust, and everyone would pay rent to some trust owning their residence. Everyone could benefit from real estate investment whether they have enough assets to own 1/100, 1, or 100 homes. Independently, they would decide what kind of housing and cost are best for them. What would happen to rents and property values...?

Re: New Zealand Passes Law to Crack Down on Foreign Home Buyers

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Like property tax?

Ya, property taxes should act against such behavior, but many places like Vancouver lack one. Not sure about NZ, but it seems like property taxes are more of an American thing. Edit: oops, Canada does have a property tax, and New Zealand has something like it. So it’s just Australia (on first residences) and the UK that don’t. Well, China also. I’ll take my downvotes gracefully.

There are property taxes here in New Zealand, known as ‘rates’.

You can look up what they are for a property and get an idea of the property value on local government websites.

https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/property-rates-valuation...

Re: New Zealand Passes Law to Crack Down on Foreign Home Buyers

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I don't think it's fair to blame cities for what is a nationwide problem. The entire economy is shifting from farming and production to a service economy. The former provided incentives for people to be widely distributed across a number of small cities and town. The latter does not, so there is a mass migration to cities. It's happening faster than the infrastructure, zoning, and physical layout of the cities can ad…

American big cities are not that dense. 80% of San Francisco is detached single-family housing.

San Francisco is not an American big city. It's American, and it's a city (and county!). But it's not particularly big.

Re: New Zealand Passes Law to Crack Down on Foreign Home Buyers

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And what would address the root of the problem?

In the long-term, building more housing. In the short-term, cracking on speculators seems sensible.

Wouldn't a credible commitment to rapidly building more housing itself crack down on speculators?

Re: New Zealand Passes Law to Crack Down on Foreign Home Buyers

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American big cities are not that dense. 80% of San Francisco is detached single-family housing.

San Francisco is not an American big city. It's American, and it's a city (and county!). But it's not particularly big.

It is the most-dense city save for NYC, which is ten times larger. Which is my point: people think of it as dense but in reality most of it is suburban in character. There’s no need for skyscrapers to change this. A handful of 5-story buildings on major intersections would do the job.

Re: New Zealand Passes Law to Crack Down on Foreign Home Buyers

#78
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Are you suggesting the government steal their property?

No, but it could implement hefty property tax on properties owned by non-residents.

So you want to lower rent in the area by charging more money to non-residents, who will then pass the fees down in the form of higher rent?

Re: New Zealand Passes Law to Crack Down on Foreign Home Buyers

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In the long-term, building more housing. In the short-term, cracking on speculators seems sensible.

Wouldn't a credible commitment to rapidly building more housing itself crack down on speculators?

The problem is that in many places it is quite unlawful to build housing. The legal regimes exist to protect incumbent land owners. That’s an open invitation to speculators.

Re: New Zealand Passes Law to Crack Down on Foreign Home Buyers

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They are not placing all blame on foreign soeculative real estate investors, but are assigning some blame, which i think is fair. Many countries require some form of either citizenship or residence in order to qualify as a real estate buyer.

I didn't mean to suggest that foreign speculation was without blame. I just wanted to make it clear that that isn't the only, or even biggest, culprit in the current housing crisis.

How would you prevent new housing stock from being similarly bought up?
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