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YC China and Qi Lu

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Re: YC China and Qi Lu

#241
That certainly explains the regular silencing of criticism of China on HN.

The irony is really something though:

http://blog.samaltman.com/e-pur-si-muove

> Also, smart people tend to have an allergic reaction to the restriction of ideas, and I’m now seeing many of the smartest people I know move elsewhere.

> It is bad for all of us when people can’t say that the world is a sphere, that evolution is real, or that the sun is at the center of the solar system.

Or what totalitarianism is, what sociopathy is, what obedience to and identification with abusers is and how it comes about.

> This is uncomfortable, but it’s possible we have to allow people to say disparaging things about gay people if we want them to be able to say novel things about physics.

But we absolutely cannot quote any of the greats on whose shoulders we stand on -- and mean it, that is, and actually deconstruct the sophistry that is inevitably replied to that. I've had accounts throttled and shadowbanned which had not a single comment below 0, and many upvotes. None of the comments were off-topic or not substantive, it's just the powers that be didn't like them, but could cite no guidelines and refute no points. Come to think of it, it's like all these comments from mods telling people to "not do that here" are really just to give a pretense of transpareny and good faith. From where I'm sitting, it's mostly silent and mostly hypocritical.

Maybe we have to allow the KKK to speak their mind. But do NOT talk about moderator action in public. Shedding light on the ways discussion is manipulated would degrade the quality of discussion, you see. So send us an email! Do not talk about votes, don't feel strongly about anything, no matter how solid the argument. Sure, a racist or homophobe might cure cancer, or someone who just uses the word "gay" to mean "lame", or someone with an IQ of 170 but also Tourette's. But you won't hear about it on a site where even a comment starting with something like "this is fucking bullshit!" followed by a detailed explanation of why it is, has to be punished or at least chided a bit. Yes, it would be better without that. But no, that doesn't excuse patting each other on the back for form over content. That's even dumber than swearing.

Be that as it may, in the end it'll just eat you whole, spit out nothing, and the people who pretended your shit doesn't stink will turn out to have been your worst enemies all along. Totally apart from being an intelligent or good person, conformity for the sake of conformity and any "hacker spirit" are oil and water, so that really just leaves money and electric toys, with shades of censorship and direct and indirect murder. A little hut of gold on a lot of treacherous sand.

The more you sell out, the more you give in, the more good you also can do, the more whistles you can blow, if you should ever grow your spine back. That is the one silver lining, but I won't hold my breath for it. Good luck though, without sarcasm. You do need it, and everybody deserves to come clean.

Fuck your fear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkQEPtOyIHY

Re: YC China and Qi Lu

#242

The political concerns are real. It's too cynical to say that YC just cares about money, though. There would be better ways to create an incubator than to do it like this, if that were the case. One obvious question that hasn't been raised is: "Why not base it in Taiwan?" It's still "China" (for some definition of China), you can still get access to the talent that you want (you just have to try a little harder), and…

> it would better address the political and humanitarian issues raised.

That wouldn't make it "better", not doing so makes it completely unacceptable.

Re: YC China and Qi Lu

#243
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. It's not about empowering everyone on the planet, it's about creating companies which become billion dollar unicorns 2. The probability of Unicornism is directly related to the size of the market you can access. US is the biggest single market on the planet. 3. Accessibility of markets: While EU is the second largest single market [0] US companies have entered european markets just fine. On the other hand, to oper…

Are you sure nominal GDP is the right metric to be using to compare market size? By adjusted (PPP) GDP it's China, EU and then the US. Those billions can go a lot further in China and the EU than they can in the US. https://www.thebalance.com/world-s-largest-economy-3306044

You want money in nominal terms, so PPP doesn't matter. EU is not really a single market, they have unified regulations, which is helpful, but at the very least language differences mean you're doing custom work for every country.

Re: YC China and Qi Lu

#244

Of all places they could go. China appearing to succeed at a time when democracy is on the ropes is a dangerous trend for democracy. When you import goods from China, you import repression. Short-termed capitalists might think the repression applies just to workers, but China is a country with no human rights, no property rights, no rule of law. The Chinese government reserves the right to take anything you "own" the…

I like how comments like these get immediately downvoted. It is _almost_ as if the big red is monitoring comments on HN. ALMOST.

Re: YC China and Qi Lu

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post #134

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> "Why not base it in Taiwan?" It's still "China" (for some definition of China), you can still get access to the talent that you want (you just have to try a little harder), and you could still get access to the market you're targeting. Native Chinese here. I don't think this is the case. It's not even close to ideal to base in Taiwan given the political environment between the straits nowadays. The policies are ver…

Adding onto this, in China you also have to deal with the Great Firewall as well The apps used in Taiwan and China are significantly different. In China, its anything owned by tencent, baidu, or alibaba. The app market in Taiwan uses mostly English offerings (google, facebook, instagram) with a combination of Asianic/Non-china based apps including Line, which is similar to Whatsapp or Wechat.

> Adding onto this, in China you also have to deal with the Great Firewall as well

Not you don't. For most of the Chinese entrepreneurs create startups inside China - their local market is big enough to not to have to worry about internationalization. The big three you named there, Tencent, Alibaba, Baidu, didn't worry about that at all for many years sine their establishments.

> In China, its anything owned by tencent, baidu, or alibaba.

There are certain truth to it, but there are exceptions too. I.E. Douyin/Tik Tok(social vlogging) and Pinduoduo (e-commerce) have been immensely popular and successful in recent years and weren't owned (or significantly owned) by the big three.

Re: YC China and Qi Lu

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Many foreigners have VPNs, but many do not. They aren't the easiest thing to set up, and they often close shop a few weeks after you pay a yearly subscription fee. Email: I use outlook.com, but I shut my gmail account long before gmail was blocked. I'm weird. maps: Apple Maps on an iphone works well enough. Not sure if gmaps on Android works or not. Many Google services still work even if a few are blocked. Browsing:…

Is VPN legal? What are English options for maps with transit available without vpn?

Apple maps works perfectly fine in China. I’m not sure what it’s like for android users.

It includes transit, at least for Beijing, see https://www.apple.com/ios/feature-availability/. I always took a taxi though so that wasn’t very important to me, so I used mostly the didi dache app.

Re: YC China and Qi Lu

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post #35

Hahaha people talking about ethics are silly ... This is business in a market, potentially, at least 3x bigger than the current biggest market! Are you nuts? Everybody's gonna do business in China! Everybody! In some form or shape.

The rest of the world is big enough for me.

the rest of the world don't have a unified market as big as China, that is root cause.

the same law, the same government, 0 tariff between provinces, and the same language,

all of these properties lead to one thing. extremely low cost of products which is Competitiveness.

Re: YC China and Qi Lu

#249

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As good as Google is, I'm glad we have alternatives to choose from. Bing is actually pretty good in China where Google is not available.

I use Bing as my primary search engine while in China. It isn't blocked, has excellent search results, and is a general drop in replacement for Google/DDG. Baidu is a bit harder to navigate as a foreigner. I don't even try with Baidu Maps.

Baidu sucks and isn’t really worth the time to use. Maybe it’s kuch better in Chinese, but their English results are horrible.

Re: YC China and Qi Lu

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Caring about human rights is not silly. Expecting capitalists (the economic class, not the ideological faction) to put human rights over returns on capital is, if not silly, at least naively optimistic.

That's why we speak out (like this!) and force them to do the right thing. As I've said elsewhere, there are things more important than profit. Companies that disagree ought to be boycotted. Maybe that's naive. It's still the right thing to do. No amount of money can shift what's right and wrong.

there are things more important than profit

I don't think our civilization has suffered enough to really understand that. The current state of the environment is a good example.

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