How is graphic acceleration support these days? Does PCI passthrough work?
Osx-kvm: Run macOS on QEMU/KVM
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Re: Osx-kvm: Run macOS on QEMU/KVM
#32How is graphic acceleration support these days? Does PCI passthrough work?
Yes, it is working for me with a nVidia card
Re: Osx-kvm: Run macOS on QEMU/KVM
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, one has been able to do this for some time now. A few years ago I had a setup where (and I admit much of this was for the aesthetic purity of it, not practical reasons), I used a legally purchased copy of macos, copied it unmodified to my VM server, and, with a decent amount of effort, and a patched qemu (for the SMC thingie -- i donno if by now the patch is in mainline), was enjoying a non pirated, non modifie…
That must have been a long time ago indeed because the last version you could 'buy' was removed from sale in 2013. But actually you didn't buy a copy, you bought a disc and a license to upgrade the software on one 'Apple branded machine'. I don't care if you run unlicensed software but it's not 'legally purchased' or 'non pirated'. You're just fooling yourself.
You have a partial point, and I may have been sloppy with my words. But on the whole, you do not, and while I might willingly fool myself about a great many things, this is not one of them. I'm well aware that the license agreement claims to forbid running it on non Apple hardware.
However, no -- the software WAS "legally purchased" AND "not pirated".
I purchased, from Apple.com, a mac-mini, then in the apple app store paid for a stand-alone install of macos. I believe it was $20.
"legally purchased" -- I paid for it through the legitimate channel (as opposed to, say, buying it from anyone other than Apple Inc. like ebay)
"not pirated" -- Piracy (in this, that is, not the captain hook kind) context means taking advantage of the fact that digital assets can be perfectly duplicated to escape paying for it. I paid for it. I didn't duplicate it.
As to the issue of the Apple's "license agreement". On this we may simply view the world differently. It is my viewpoint that once a product is sold the original owner no longer is entitled to a reasonable expectation of control over its use. I can buy a screwdriver labeled "Only for use with Lowe's(tm) screws", and use it on whatever brand screws I want, because it's my screwdriver, and the notion that Lowe's gets to exert control over how I use a tool after I've legally bought it is
I am aware that currently some interpretations of US law are not congruous with this. I frankly don't care. You have the right to believe whatever you want, but to me law does not define truth. Interpretations of law frequently codify things that are not.
Regardless of bills passed or the outcome of court cases corporations are not (yet!) sentient entities, in 1897 Indiana the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter was not exactly 3.2 -- it was pi, just like today, and all of my family members are equally human beings as anyone else despite much older laws asserting that some of them were 3/5th.
"fooling yourself" is a waste of effort. I'm well aware -- I have no romantic delusions about, for instance my copy of IDA Pro or MATLAB for example. It's a tool I greatly benefit from, that I cannot even come close to affording, so I stole it. Sure, it's almost certainly the case that in the coming years I'll again be in a position to legally purchase several licenses for work use, but that doesn't change the fact that I still pirated them.
But no, I legally purchased my copy of MacOS, it is not pirated, and I do not believe in the waste of time that is fooling ones self.
Re: Osx-kvm: Run macOS on QEMU/KVM
#34Previous post from 2016 with 89 comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12556609
Yeah, one has been able to do this for some time now. A few years ago I had a setup where (and I admit much of this was for the aesthetic purity of it, not practical reasons), I used a legally purchased copy of macos, copied it unmodified to my VM server, and, with a decent amount of effort, and a patched qemu (for the SMC thingie -- i donno if by now the patch is in mainline), was enjoying a non pirated, non modifie…
I had a client give me a meaty Mac laptop, and had no desire to carry two laptops. I imaged their install, and then formatted the machine, and ran their image in a VM, and treated the underlying machine as my own. Worked well for a little while
Re: Osx-kvm: Run macOS on QEMU/KVM
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, one has been able to do this for some time now. A few years ago I had a setup where (and I admit much of this was for the aesthetic purity of it, not practical reasons), I used a legally purchased copy of macos, copied it unmodified to my VM server, and, with a decent amount of effort, and a patched qemu (for the SMC thingie -- i donno if by now the patch is in mainline), was enjoying a non pirated, non modifie…
That must have been a long time ago indeed because the last version you could 'buy' was removed from sale in 2013. But actually you didn't buy a copy, you bought a disc and a license to upgrade the software on one 'Apple branded machine'. I don't care if you run unlicensed software but it's not 'legally purchased' or 'non pirated'. You're just fooling yourself.
Also, I think you might have not noticed what in my opinion was the most important detail.
I'm not aware of if it's still true for hackintoshes or OSX in KVM or whatnot, but previously, most of the solutions I saw involved steps which I felt, I can't find a better word for than... "Gross". Things like, "Oh, yeah, it's totally MacOS working in a VM.... as long as you modify these random parts of the operating system and replace these other files with a binary I made"
Having many, many a time pirated Windows in the distant past I have some (possibly completely irrational) aversion to using an operating system with Joe Hacker's random patch applied to it. I'll prefer to take upstream thank-you-very-much. :)
My choice to pay for a non-pirated version of MacOS had nothing to do with believing that somehow Apple deserves my money -- I did so because I knew if and once I could get it to work, it would be more... clean.
Re: Osx-kvm: Run macOS on QEMU/KVM
#36Re: Osx-kvm: Run macOS on QEMU/KVM
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, one has been able to do this for some time now. A few years ago I had a setup where (and I admit much of this was for the aesthetic purity of it, not practical reasons), I used a legally purchased copy of macos, copied it unmodified to my VM server, and, with a decent amount of effort, and a patched qemu (for the SMC thingie -- i donno if by now the patch is in mainline), was enjoying a non pirated, non modifie…
I had a client give me a meaty Mac laptop, and had no desire to carry two laptops. I imaged their install, and then formatted the machine, and ran their image in a VM, and treated the underlying machine as my own. Worked well for a little while
Cool! Glad it worked for you. (I'm mildly curious what the chipset was on the guest that MacOS was running in) But like, not curious enough that you should spend any effort to find out.
Because I think one of the toughest parts was getting QEMU to make a machine macos would be happy with.
Re: Osx-kvm: Run macOS on QEMU/KVM
#38Where I find the ISO file?
If you wanna be above board, I think you purchase a mac, and then on that mac run the apple app store, and then in that store buy a copy of macos.
To my great surprise I found this on Amazon, and I'm curious about what others think is how apple hasn't demanded its removal: https://www.amazon.com/10-13-High-Sierra-Full-Install/dp/B07...
Re: Osx-kvm: Run macOS on QEMU/KVM
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had a client give me a meaty Mac laptop, and had no desire to carry two laptops. I imaged their install, and then formatted the machine, and ran their image in a VM, and treated the underlying machine as my own. Worked well for a little while
Cool! Glad it worked for you. (I'm mildly curious what the chipset was on the guest that MacOS was running in) But like, not curious enough that you should spend any effort to find out. Because I think one of the toughest parts was getting QEMU to make a machine macos would be happy with.
It was a Mac on a Mac, which I believe is also officially supported
Re: Osx-kvm: Run macOS on QEMU/KVM
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, it is working for me with a nVidia card
Have you tried Adobe's Suite? Any glitches in Photoshop, specifically?
On systems with a good support, it works great - it's transparent to the guest. I've been using it for around a couple of years, both with videogames and Lightroom.