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YC China and Qi Lu

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Re: YC China and Qi Lu

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Post by sb8244 »

telltruth wrote: post #24

Sam, this exec BS doesn't look good on you. If Qi Lu is the "one of the most impressive technologiest" you have known then I would say you can be impressed pretty easily. Qi Lu is the guy who couldn't do a squat with Yahoo so he jumped ship to Microsoft. His main achievement there was to rename their product to "Bing". Finally not getting anywhere for almost a decade, he finally got pushed out and so he jumped on the…

I'm not going to comment on the rest of your comment, but I found the first 2 sentences to be pretty out of context.

"one of the most impressive technologists" is much different than "most impressive technologist". Removing the plural completely changes the meaning of that statement.

Re: YC China and Qi Lu

#32

Post by jumelles »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #29
jumelles wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Doing business with Chinese entrepreneurs and providing services to the Chinese people is a humanitarian imperative. There is literally no way to do this without the cooperation of the Chinese government.

Than you be pragmatic and make concessions.

We should never, ever make concessions when it comes to human rights.

Re: YC China and Qi Lu

#33

Post by shard972 »

varsitywork wrote: post #26
jumelles wrote: post #15

YC's got a very, very fine line to tread if they're serious about China - with its limits on human rights and authoritarian tendencies, the Chinese government is absolutely not to be trusted. I worry about what sort of concessions tech companies have made and will make to gain access to the Chinese market.

Exactly. I am not sure what Sam Altman is up to here, but this may be something that Silicon Valley companies and the free world will regret deeply in the future. He mentions > to ensure that the benefits of that are fairly spread throughout humanity. Yes, but technologies at the hands of a dictatorship is dangerous. This morning, there was just a thread about Chinese surveillance/censorship technologies being sold t…

> Lord help us if the Chinese government somehow gets its hands on a superior weapons tech, or smarter AI.

Why wouldn't they get their hands on that? With companies like HPE existing as now defacto chinese companies I just don't see how anyone can see this as a if rather than a when.

> We're literally handing the Chinese government some of the Western world's greatest knowledge and inventions.

Isn't this great though? More innovation spread amongst the world. This is what liberalism tells us, that there is no distinction between people living under different nations.

If we can make the lives of chinese citizens better like we use AI to make ours better, why should minor issues like government "stealing knowledge" (whatever that is) be some big issue?

Re: YC China and Qi Lu

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Post by gdsdfe »

Hahaha people talking about ethics are silly ... This is business in a market, potentially, at least 3x bigger than the current biggest market! Are you nuts? Everybody's gonna do business in China! Everybody! In some form or shape.

Re: YC China and Qi Lu

#36

Post by telltruth »

sb8244 wrote: post #31
telltruth wrote: post #24

Sam, this exec BS doesn't look good on you. If Qi Lu is the "one of the most impressive technologiest" you have known then I would say you can be impressed pretty easily. Qi Lu is the guy who couldn't do a squat with Yahoo so he jumped ship to Microsoft. His main achievement there was to rename their product to "Bing". Finally not getting anywhere for almost a decade, he finally got pushed out and so he jumped on the…

I'm not going to comment on the rest of your comment, but I found the first 2 sentences to be pretty out of context. "one of the most impressive technologists" is much different than "most impressive technologist". Removing the plural completely changes the meaning of that statement.

Sure, man. Fixed it.

Re: YC China and Qi Lu

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Post by lunaru »

telltruth wrote: post #24

Sam, this exec BS doesn't look good on you. If Qi Lu is the "one of the most impressive technologiest" you have known then I would say you can be impressed pretty easily. Qi Lu is the guy who couldn't do a squat with Yahoo so he jumped ship to Microsoft. His main achievement there was to rename their product to "Bing". Finally not getting anywhere for almost a decade, he finally got pushed out and so he jumped on the…

When it comes to navigating China and your choices are Suit, Network, or Code, you take the Network every time. Alcohol tolerance is a plus.

Re: YC China and Qi Lu

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Post by jumelles »

shard972 wrote: post #33
varsitywork wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. I am not sure what Sam Altman is up to here, but this may be something that Silicon Valley companies and the free world will regret deeply in the future. He mentions > to ensure that the benefits of that are fairly spread throughout humanity. Yes, but technologies at the hands of a dictatorship is dangerous. This morning, there was just a thread about Chinese surveillance/censorship technologies being sold t…

> Lord help us if the Chinese government somehow gets its hands on a superior weapons tech, or smarter AI. Why wouldn't they get their hands on that? With companies like HPE existing as now defacto chinese companies I just don't see how anyone can see this as a if rather than a when. > We're literally handing the Chinese government some of the Western world's greatest knowledge and inventions. Isn't this great though…

> why should minor issues like government "stealing knowledge" (whatever that is) be some big issue?

Because that's not at all the only issue; the ruling party actively suppresses dissent, stifles speech, and allows little to no disagreement. Minorities and dissenters are locked away with no trial. Censorship is rampant. There's a lot more to worry about than just IP theft or corporate espionage.

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