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Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Post by excalibur »

HEHENE wrote: post #47
excalibur wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The strategy that worked for me: 1) Find a flavor of e-liquid that you like well enough to use regularly. 2) Start off at the nicotine concentration that most closely replicates your smoking habit (for me 18mg ~ 1.5 packs/day) 3) Continue vaping at each concentration for a minimum of 2-3 months to ensure you are fully acclimated to one level before proceeding to the next. 4) Slowly reduce the nicotine level over time…

I'm currently stuck on 3mg, and have been for over a year. I followed almost the exact same steps as you, but found as soon as I switched to 0mg I hated it and quit vaping all together.... then went back to smoking a month later. I like the chewing gum idea. I'm not necessarily an anxious person, but I always need to be doing something. E.g. if I don't have my vape in my hand, I'm chewing my nails. Really sucks.

It may be worth a shot to mix up some 1.5 mg (assuming you're not already mixing to make 3). If you can get accustomed to an even smaller dose of nicotine first, it could possibly ease the transition to 0.

Everyone is different. The strategy that's ideal for me may be wholly unworkable for somebody else, but we seem to be in the same ballpark.

Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Post by snark42 »

alexisnorman wrote: post #59
CosmicSteve wrote: post #41

I think it could be safely assumed that vaporizing nicotine and propylene glycol would lead to some negative health implications. Still, great job by the researchers in building precident. That being said, I'm personally curious above the health implications of dry herb being vaporized at a controlled temperature, that prevents any combustion, and controls the release of carcinogenic materials like Benzene/ammonia.(p…

With marijuana cartridges, I have been wondering what kind of temperature something like a 1100mAh c-cell battery maxes out at; because they can get hot . I use mmj for an autoimmune disease, so it feels pretty ironic to read vaping damages immune system cells; will have to go back to the Volcano.

> I use mmj for an autoimmune disease, so it feels pretty ironic to read vaping damages immune system cells; will have to go back to the Volcano.

Pure MMJ extracts are a different beast. This is almost definitely related to PG/VG base used in electronic cigarettes. PG is used to kill airborne bacteria in hospitals for instance.

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Post by dqpb »

1996 wrote: post #62

And it is known by the state of California to give cancer to rats - just like anything else in California

I've never understood the point of those signs that say "Some products in this store are known by the State of California to cause cancer".

What is the law that requires them to tell customers they are at risk but not have to disclose which items put them at risk?

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Post by firemancoder »

Obi_Juan_Kenobi wrote: post #51
gaius wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah, both are bad So vaping should continue to be banned everywhere that smoking is banned. Most people do not consent to breathing other peoples second-hand drugs.

Did you read the article? > The review concluded there was "overwhelming evidence" they were far safer than smoking and "of negligible risk to bystanders" And isn't this just a strawman? Are people proposing indoor vaping laws?

Proposing? They're all over the place. Vaping was quite quickly lumped in with smoking in my area. None indoors or within 10 feet of the doors etc.

Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Post by firemancoder »

gaius wrote: post #46
dionian wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is it even possible to get a perceptible amount of nicotine through second hand smoke? isn't it mostly water vapor and annoying smells?

Lung damage too, according to this research. How does anyone even think it's OK to do that to other people?

You do a lot more lung damage by driving by them in car.

I'm not a vaper, never have been never will but I'd rather deal with the faint smell of strawberry than cigarette smoke any day.

Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Post by zackmorris »

larntz wrote: post #56
marenkay wrote: post #50

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Or: You could just survive 24 hours without smoking, after which physical challenge is over. From there on it is just a fight against your brain, and also being aware of the root issue that made you pickup smoking. - ex-smoker

Quitting smoking is one of the hardest things I've ever done. Just reading this thread has brought up some nostalgia. I think ecigs and nicotine gum/lozenges should be encouraged if someone wants to quit. Many people have found them useful bridging the gap between smoking and cessation. Going even a few hours without anything is enough to cause some people give up. Having help might give them confidence to eventually…

Same here. Nicotine is perhaps the very worst drug known to humankind in terms of addictiveness:

* High lasts the shortest duration (a few seconds after the last inhale)

* High has a high physical factor (relaxation) but a low psychotropic factor (mood-altering effect like alcohol or mj), which is the opposite of something like psychedelics (which can be useful in curing addiction)

* High requires a physical adaptation (smoker's hack) to be felt most fully

* That physical adaptation is challenging to undo and takes at least 1 month (in my case 2) before cravings are replaced by disinterest or dislike

So the last 2 points were key for me. If anyone reading this is struggling, I highly recommend intermittent intense physical activity as a way to hack the physical adaptation process.

For me, squats work best. Go to the gym and try to get 15-20 reps of a weight you can manage, for at least 2 power sets. Something like: 95x10, 135x20, 135x15. I find if I do those at night and come home, my body rejects the thought of smoking because I'm already high on life. It also rejects alcohol to some degree which is nice for weight loss.

Once you've felt that lifter's high (not sure what to call it), you start feeling in control of your body's repair process. Then you notice it on the fun days too, like chest day. After 2-6 weeks, you'll likely find that cigarettes don't do much unless you smoke a couple in a row, but then they mostly make you sick, and you might find yourself going a day or two and forgetting to smoke.

Hope this helps someone.

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Post by firemancoder »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #60
jotm wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, ban anxious, depressed, hungry, loud and sick people while at it. They affect other people's mental health and can infect them with weird stuff like rhinoviruses and influenza. Shit, why stop there, why not round them up and put them in some temporary camps, there was an European guy who tried that and it worked pretty well.

Godwin's law in the wild. Nice.

Almost bot-like response.

Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Post by firemancoder »

onemoresoop wrote: post #19

I applaud that they state it's still safer than regular cigarettes. I gifted a friend who is a smoker with an e-cig package. A couple of months later he is still smoking cigarettes as he thinks these may be more dangerous..

Fear of the unknown. We still don't know the long term effects, so he may be on to something.

Also it's pretty crazy to put a battery that close to your face regularly. I know only a few have exploded, but the risk of that alone would deter me.

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Post by evgen »

jotm wrote: post #52
HEHENE wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm currently stuck on 3mg, and have been for over a year. I followed almost the exact same steps as you, but found as soon as I switched to 0mg I hated it and quit vaping all together.... then went back to smoking a month later. I like the chewing gum idea. I'm not necessarily an anxious person, but I always need to be doing something. E.g. if I don't have my vape in my hand, I'm chewing my nails. Really sucks.

Yep, any less than 6mg and I'll buy a pack of cigarettes within the week. If I could take off 2-3 months, I'd go cold turkey, but the withdrawal effects are insane for me (anxiety, insomnia, massive depression, heavily impaired thinking, I can't do anything, literally.) I reckon it would take 2-3 weeks at most, but haven't had the time to try it.

Mixing various concentrations with 0 mg juice can help you move down even more gradually at the tail end. If the drop causes problems bump it back up for a few weeks and then try again. Even at 6 you are doing far less damage to yourself than that pack of smokes...
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