The two professors are Lenore and Manuel Blum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenore_Blum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Blum
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Two CMU Computer Science Professors Resign, Citing “sexist management”
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#32The two professors are Lenore and Manuel Blum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenore_Blum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Blum
What a cohencidence.
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#33They have been at the university for nearly 20 years and are 75 and 80 years old respectively. At first I was impressed that some professors were making huge sacrifices standing up for what they believe. But at age 75 and 80, they aren't really risking any sort of career or financial stability. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, but it is hard not to feel like maybe they just saw a convenient moment to t…
Why would this be the most likely scenario? What would motivate someone to end their career in this way?
They have principles and wanted to make a statement. But like I said in a different reply - my default interpretation of this given the circumstances would be not considering this as more significant than someone earlier in their career simply speaking out. Would they have resigned if they were only 35? maybe - and that would (to me) be stronger evidence of how bad the things were that they were protesting. And maybe not (this would be my guess, but I could certainly be wrong).
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#34Re: Two CMU Computer Science Professors Resign, Citing “sexist management”
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
What was removed??
Edit2: See nv-vn's comment below. They won't consider how much you "demonstrated interest" in CS to get into the program. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17446996 [Edit: this isn't only for the CS program, and it's not only about women, but you can fill in the blanks I guess] I think it makes sense if you think women (IIRC this was about the gender gap in CS) tend not to be directed toward CS as much as men are…
I don't know why that article is written in the way that it is, but generally "demonstrated interest" in college admissions is a way of evaluating a student's preference for the school. Most top schools don't use this, but a lot of other schools try to look for students who are more interested in their school in order to increase yield for admitted students. Generally this would take the form of visiting a school, going to information sessions, etc. Here's an article about it [1]. In this context, it doesn't have much to do with the major you're applying for or your interest in that specific major. While removing demonstrated interest increases diversity in terms of economic backgrounds, it shouldn't have much effect on gender ratios.
[1] https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2018...
Re: Two CMU Computer Science Professors Resign, Citing “sexist management”
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Edit2: See nv-vn's comment below. They won't consider how much you "demonstrated interest" in CS to get into the program. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17446996 [Edit: this isn't only for the CS program, and it's not only about women, but you can fill in the blanks I guess] I think it makes sense if you think women (IIRC this was about the gender gap in CS) tend not to be directed toward CS as much as men are…
I don't know why that article is written in the way that it is, but generally "demonstrated interest" in college admissions is a way of evaluating a student's preference for the school. Most top schools don't use this, but a lot of other schools try to look for students who are more interested in their school in order to increase yield for admitted students. Generally this would take the form of visiting a school, go…
Thanks, that probably caused a lot of confusion.
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#37Re: Two CMU Computer Science Professors Resign, Citing “sexist management”
#38They have been at the university for nearly 20 years and are 75 and 80 years old respectively. At first I was impressed that some professors were making huge sacrifices standing up for what they believe. But at age 75 and 80, they aren't really risking any sort of career or financial stability. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, but it is hard not to feel like maybe they just saw a convenient moment to t…
Why does something you imagined that wouldn't really add anything worthwhile not being the case take away from it?
Good on them that their careers cannot be hindered for this; not everybody doing what they feel is right has to "sacrifice" something for it, it's much better when it's all throwing off burdens and reaping rewards.
We cannot know what sacrifices they made or didn't make in those 20 years anyway, and what combination of straws broke the camel's back. Maybe they were sick of it for a while, but decided to stick around until retirement for the good people they enjoyed working with and teaching, and then make their statement. I could not blame them for that. And hey, it would have been even more "convenient" to make no statement at all, so there's that.
IMO what matters is the statement, just like the content of a comment matters, not if someone is writing it while parachuting, or from a couch.
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#39> “So we are resigning. We are not retiring, we are resigning,” she wrote. “No parties please.”
I don't know how academia works, but what is the implication of "resigning" vs "retiring"? Does that change what happens with pensions or is it just a semantic difference used for emphasis?
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#40Many rock stars in theoretical computer science, including theoretical cryptography, are linked to Blum either directly (advised by him) or indirectly (advised by his students). He left Berkeley to CMU to stay close to his son, Avrim Blum then at CMU, and grand kids. Avrim moved to Toyota Technological Inst, Chicago for greener pastures last year. It is kind of expected of Prof Blum couple to leave CMU to Chicago to…
" Wish they had given more substance to their claims of 'sexist management'."
Just because they didn't share the substance with you, doesn't mean they didn't share it with CMU administrators.