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Re: Serverless Docker Beta

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Post by myrloc »

nickjj wrote: post #50
andrewtorkbaker wrote: post #31

And so ZEIT, my favorite serverless provider, keeps getting better. Highlights: - "sub-second cold boot (full round trip) for most workloads" - HTTP/2.0 and websocket support - Tune CPU and memory usage, which means even smoother scaling And all that for any service you can fit in a Docker container - which is also how you get near-perfect dev/prod parity, an often overlooked issue with other serverless deployment te…

I know of 1 large scale web application that is 100% driven by serverless technologies. The user experience (as an end user using the website) is pretty terrible IMO. It often takes multiple seconds for various areas of the site to load (bound by the network). It's also super Javascript heavy and just doesn't feel good even on a fast desktop workstation. Authentication is also a nightmare from a UX point of view. Eve…

Are you by chance referring to A Cloud Guru? I have the same auth0 and loading experience when using their site, and I suspect it's built on Lambda, but I'm not sure.

Re: Serverless Docker Beta

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Post by tlrobinson »

stingraycharles wrote: post #65
codefined wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would probably use something like a queue[0] that takes in data from the websocket and dishes it out to lambda functions. You might also use something like Kinesis[1] or other alternatives. [0] https://aws.amazon.com/sqs/ [1] https://aws.amazon.com/kinesis/

Yes of course, or I could send it into Kafka instead (which makes more sense to me). The point is, how would a serverless process looks like which doesn’t have a REST API and does this long term polling of websockets?

Some platforms like Amazon Lambda let you set up functions to consume data from a variety of event sources: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/lambda/latest/dg/invoking-lambda...

Re: Serverless Docker Beta

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Post by Sujan »

Am I the only one having problems to follow .gif "demos"?

When I get to the image, it is in the middle of everything and I don't really have an idea what is going on. Even watching it multiple times, I am not sure where it starts, ends, what the individual steps are.

Or is it because I just don't know enough about this stuff?

Re: Serverless Docker Beta

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Post by jjm »

jarym wrote: post #48
some_account wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know... My experience is the other extreme - tech teams that make everything super complicated to support everything that can possibly happen. As a consequence, the it environment requires six months of experience to even understand. It's really not very fun to work in those environments. Lots of unnecessary complexity.

Yup. I’ve seen this - customers who insist every package has to be installed in some special place because /opt is ‘reserved’ - have to have non-standard ports for everything because it might slow down attackers - have to have an Apache proxy in front of everything, always - even internal components. ‘Cos. - won’t invest in trusted SSL certificates for internal services. - every sql query has to be wrapped in a store…

“won’t invest in trusted SSL certificates for internal services.” You know, unit test your stuff?

Re: Serverless Docker Beta

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Post by peterwwillis »

ransom1538 wrote: post #2

Yep. Pretty soon. You write code. You create a docker file. You find a place to run the docker file with your code [cheapest!]. Run it through your tests. Monitor it. The end. No vpcs,salts, puppets, sshs,chefs, horses,anisbles, cats,ec2s,devops,noops, sysadmins, kubernetes or chaos monkeys required.

You still need all that, you're just paying someone else to do it for you. As the app gets more complicated you will have to do more. It is impossible to remove complexity by adding abstraction. You've only hidden it.

Re: Serverless Docker Beta

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Post by stingraycharles »

tlrobinson wrote: post #72
stingraycharles wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes of course, or I could send it into Kafka instead (which makes more sense to me). The point is, how would a serverless process looks like which doesn’t have a REST API and does this long term polling of websockets?

Some platforms like Amazon Lambda let you set up functions to consume data from a variety of event sources: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/lambda/latest/dg/invoking-lambda...

How can I consume the Twitter stream API using that?

Re: Serverless Docker Beta

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Post by weberc2 »

peterwwillis wrote: post #75
ransom1538 wrote: post #2

Yep. Pretty soon. You write code. You create a docker file. You find a place to run the docker file with your code [cheapest!]. Run it through your tests. Monitor it. The end. No vpcs,salts, puppets, sshs,chefs, horses,anisbles, cats,ec2s,devops,noops, sysadmins, kubernetes or chaos monkeys required.

You still need all that, you're just paying someone else to do it for you. As the app gets more complicated you will have to do more. It is impossible to remove complexity by adding abstraction. You've only hidden it.

True, but like every thing else there are economies of scale to having a few specialists managing the abstraction that everyone else can depend on.

Re: Serverless Docker Beta

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Post by Sujan »

Sujan wrote: post #73

Am I the only one having problems to follow .gif "demos"? When I get to the image, it is in the middle of everything and I don't really have an idea what is going on. Even watching it multiple times, I am not sure where it starts, ends, what the individual steps are. Or is it because I just don't know enough about this stuff?

Oh, and to make this more than a simple rant/whine, some constructive suggestions that could possibly solve the problem:

- Normal video with playback controls?

- Add a clearly distinguishable "this is where it starts" screen.

- Is there maybe a way to control playback of a gif via JS/HTML? Add a "restart" button.

- Add a timeline into the .gif that shows where I am (similar to usual video player).

Re: Serverless Docker Beta

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Post by itaysk »

Sujan wrote: post #73

Am I the only one having problems to follow .gif "demos"? When I get to the image, it is in the middle of everything and I don't really have an idea what is going on. Even watching it multiple times, I am not sure where it starts, ends, what the individual steps are. Or is it because I just don't know enough about this stuff?

I share your pain. Need an extension that would add playback controls to gifs, or at least "play from beginning"

Re: Serverless Docker Beta

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Post by grezql »

DelightOne wrote: post #57
grezql wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this wont be popular but I always felt like docker was a step backwards in order to regroup and take a giant leap forward. I went from right clicking and deploying from visual studio to SSH and configuring dockerfiles, docker compose, even nginx.conf to loadbalance. You do get more bang for the buck with such setup but its too much work on infrastructure and less time for development. edit: add kubernetes to it, alth…

> although AKS and GKE being free I‘m a developer too and I feel the burden too. Can you tell what you mean here?

Setting up and maintaining a kubernetes cluster on my own would probably kill me desire to touch a computer again. Azure and Google provides free Kubernetes-cluster-management-as-service. But you are right, its still a hassle.
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