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People start hating their jobs at 35

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Re: People start hating their jobs at 35

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Cool, where did you learn? I found many good technical education sites, but only HubSpot for marketing stuff.

This article is pretty great, not written by me: https://brianbalfour.com/essays/customer-acquisition

Lol, it says there is no certification for this type of stuff, but then quoting HubSpot people who do exactly that :D

Re: People start hating their jobs at 35

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I'm nearing my fourties now. I have saved 27 years' worth of living expenses, assuming my current lifestyle (or longer, if I at some point decide to downgrade). Recently, I have given my notice. I want to finally try something else.

Financial independence and early retirement? With 27 years of living expenses if you invest wisely and don't get unlucky, you shouldn't ever have to work again.

I don't like the "don't get unlucky" part. It would really suck if I indeed got unlucky around the age of 60 or 70, and then had to support myself working as a janitor till I die. In other words, I tend to be risk-awerse.

Re: People start hating their jobs at 35

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There's too much negative focus on why work is bad here to recognise that it's both give and take. It's not just that work no longer excites, it's that you want to do other things.

I'm 33. I have a 2 year old who demands time. I have a dog that I would like to spend time with. I have a shotgun and enjoy target shooting and wish I had more time to enjoy. I have couple of bikes and wish I had more time to ride them. I picked up woodworking just before my 2yo arrived and I wish I had more time to learn more.

Every year I pick up another something I want more time to do but therefore every year I have to spread that time a little thinner. Time I have to spend working is the obvious target to blame.

I'm certainly not saying that every work environment is great, or that some people get the work/life/expenses balance catastrophically wrong, but you can improve your experience of work by making sure you're still learning, expanding and don't fall into the typical ruts.

Similarly if work is all you have, you've got nothing to work for. Find a balance.

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This is exactly how I used to think. Then I started moving around. A lot. Now I think that our environment determines our behavior and our mental life to such a huge degree that it's embarrassing and uncomfortable to grasp the full extent of it. New career, new you. New friends, new you. New country, new you. New language, new you. The thing is, most people experience a very slowly changing environment for long enoug…

I think this is a both/and, rather than either/or scenario. There's no doubt your environment has a massive impact on behavior modification; I agree with everything you wrote. However, the key here is that you first identified a specific problem that you wanted to solve. From there, you created an environment that exploited our (for lack of a better term) inherent laziness and brought about desired behaviors because…

The other piece to this is that humans are actually pretty bad at self-analysis. Self-reflection is important, but it needs to be coupled with honest discussions with other people to get something approximating an accurate picture.

Re: People start hating their jobs at 35

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I wonder if mid-30's could be a point of going either direction? At 34 I discovered a career passion around serving others, whereas previously the orientation was mostly toward myself. Nothing changed in my daily work, just a perspective.

I recently went to a workshop demo for working with clay by a potter who'd been working his craft for 40 years. He was spinning the wheel and someone said it looked fun and asked if he still enjoyed it after all those years.

He told us he's gone through several waves of enjoying and disliking throwing pots. He started off enjoying it. Then he stopped enjoying it for many years and just did it because it was his livelihood and the best way to support himself. Then one day, he had no idea why, while he was throwing a pot he had a moment where he noticed his hands and started enjoying it again for many years. He told us this has happened to him a few times and that he currently enjoys throwing pots.

Re: People start hating their jobs at 35

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I started with 28, maybe earlier, but 28 was when I finally snapped, haha. I worked 7 for the same company, while studying and a few years after I finished my degree. It was a small chaotic company, they were a startup that found a hand full of big corps to pay for the day-to-day expenses, but it never really grew up and never got product market fit. After a big re-write of the product, with much overtime on my side,…

What do you mean by “personal growth”? Is that a soft way of asking for a promotion?

Re: People start hating their jobs at 35

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I used to (half) joke about another option: (d) it could be cost effective for a company to spend money hiring and wasting excellent talent if it prevents their competitors from doing something genuinely valuable with that talent.

Unlikely. No "talent" would agree to waste their life in such a scenario, worrying about "being found out for not contributing to the bottom line". That's kinda what makes them a talent — almost a tautology.

I dunno, money talks

Re: People start hating their jobs at 35

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I think its because through experience people have figured out a lot of unspoken things about what its really like being an employee. They have figured out that its much more about connections and office politics than hard work. They have figured out that there is really no job security, and they could be one layoff wave away from unemployment. They have figured out that its much more about face time and spending lon…

> They have figured out that they are never going to get payed the true value of their work,and that is almost the definition of being an employee. A little bit too cynical for my taste. You make it sound as if companies serve no purpose other than extracting value from the employee to the company. Your work value inside the company is higher than the value of the work per se; the order that the firm institutes has a…

It's a power relationship all the way down: companies use their power to fuck employees as much as they can,some succeeding ,sometimes not, while competition does the same for companies.

And the end goal? Some shareholders more happy than others, and some random economic statistic, that's not really related to quality of life.

Re: People start hating their jobs at 35

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I think its because through experience people have figured out a lot of unspoken things about what its really like being an employee. They have figured out that its much more about connections and office politics than hard work. They have figured out that there is really no job security, and they could be one layoff wave away from unemployment. They have figured out that its much more about face time and spending lon…

> They have figured out that they are never going to get payed the true value of their work,and that is almost the definition of being an employee. A little bit too cynical for my taste. You make it sound as if companies serve no purpose other than extracting value from the employee to the company. Your work value inside the company is higher than the value of the work per se; the order that the firm institutes has a…

Firms exist to make money, ie get more value out of your labor than they pay you for.
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