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When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

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Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

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post #9

We live in a sad world when hotel room searches are normal and accepted.

They don't make any sense. Anyone planning something will now anticipate this. It only discourages honest people from staying in a traditional hotel. You can either relax in an air-bnb or worry about the hotel service demanding entry to your room (while being reminded of horrific mass shootings).

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

#12

I am not part of the DEFCON community, but every year I hear about warrantless searches, equipment seized art the border and hacker arrests. I wonder why anyone, not least security researchers, would take the risk of going there. Just so as you guys know, we have conference facilities in Europe...

If it makes you feel any better, a year or two ago DEFCON started a second location not in the United States! They chose... China.

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

#13

Had a room visit. The two security guys were friendly in that weird way where they're all smiley and talkative, but completely ignore anything you say. Weird stuff. Oh, and they made fun of how much I paid for room service, which is weird because it's overpriced to help pay their salaries... shrug I get the why of what they're doing, but they didn't look through anything, so if I was planning something I could have h…

> Defcon is moving to Paris, Bally's, and Planet Hollywood next year, but those are all Caesar owned properties, so it doesn't address anything.

DEFCON was at Bally's and Paris for two or three years two or three years ago. The theory a few of us have is the Caesar's Palace people were looking for soldering equipment (that might damage their tables) and that Caesar's doesn't care as much if there is damage to their less prestigious properties.

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

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post #12

I am not part of the DEFCON community, but every year I hear about warrantless searches, equipment seized art the border and hacker arrests. I wonder why anyone, not least security researchers, would take the risk of going there. Just so as you guys know, we have conference facilities in Europe...

If it makes you feel any better, a year or two ago DEFCON started a second location not in the United States! They chose... China.

I suppose this is a conference for the daring folks.

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

#16
post #5

Rather than the Las Vegas attack, I’d rather expect DEFCON to be hurt by the arrest of Marcus Hutchins. Surely it should have given cold feet to some of the most interesting guests and speakers.

Just because they're interesting doesn't put them above the law; Marcus was arrested under suspicion of creating, spreading and selling the Kronos malware. That is a federal crime.

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

#17
post #9

We live in a sad world when hotel room searches are normal and accepted.

They don't make any sense. Anyone planning something will now anticipate this. It only discourages honest people from staying in a traditional hotel. You can either relax in an air-bnb or worry about the hotel service demanding entry to your room (while being reminded of horrific mass shootings).

You're trying to make it sound like AirBnB would be a better option, but just no. A hotel has accountability at least. AirBnB as an organization has and takes none, and you have to deal with the individual and their house yourself. A hotel chain has their reputation to maintain, a random guy renting out his apartment doesn't.

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

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post #9

We live in a sad world when hotel room searches are normal and accepted.

Where did you get the notion that it's normal and accepted? Have you read the article? Have you even read the title? "Debacle" does not mean the same as "normal and accepted".

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

#19
post #8

Surely this is at the very least a breah of privacy, and possibly a warrantless search? A hotel room, while occupied by a paying customer, should be treated as private property.

Warrantless search only applies if it was the police going in there; if it's hotel security, and if the terms and conditions of said hotel indicate hotel security can enter your room at any given time, then you'll have nothing.

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

#20
post #12

I am not part of the DEFCON community, but every year I hear about warrantless searches, equipment seized art the border and hacker arrests. I wonder why anyone, not least security researchers, would take the risk of going there. Just so as you guys know, we have conference facilities in Europe...

If it makes you feel any better, a year or two ago DEFCON started a second location not in the United States! They chose... China.

Tbf it is probably for the chinese market
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