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Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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Does anyone have the PDF to the full article? I'm curious to read more than the summary.

You can find download links from Google Scholar. Here is one from researchgate posted by the corresponding author (which is totally legal): https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Leonardo_Trasande/publi...

Don't pay for the article. The money goes 100% to the publisher not the authors.

Re: Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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How do I buy food in the US that I know hasn't been exposed to such pesticides?

Buy from a farmers' market, and ask. Most of the sellers will know off the top of their heads exactly how their crops have been grown and what was/wasn't used, and if they don't, that's a seller to avoid. As an added bonus, farmers' markets tend to be cheaper than supermarkets even as the food is better. It mystifies me that they aren't more commonly used and have a reputation as being for rich hipsters (i.e., like W…

Never been to a cheaper farmer’s market in my life. I’ve lived in New York, Chicago and Baltimore. Intrigued by this concept. Can’t imagine it actually exists anywhere.

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Consider the possibility that some such chemicals are good for society. For example, exposure to pseudoestrogens may reduce violence. Medical literature doesn't really have a category for this -- there is only 'burden and cost' of environmental effects, assuming that any change from evolved human biology is bad. But it seems like evolved human biology is a little too violent for the society we want, and perhaps we'd…

You should work for the pharmaceutical companies to get Xanax added to the water supply. Just imagine how much crime would go down if everyone was too chill to steal or murder!

You might love reading Brave New World (if you are not purposely paraphrasing it here), kinda blew my mind in high school so not sure what effect it would have on adults now.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buy from a farmers' market, and ask. Most of the sellers will know off the top of their heads exactly how their crops have been grown and what was/wasn't used, and if they don't, that's a seller to avoid. As an added bonus, farmers' markets tend to be cheaper than supermarkets even as the food is better. It mystifies me that they aren't more commonly used and have a reputation as being for rich hipsters (i.e., like W…

So just take the farmers' word for it? How do you know the farmer is actually selling produce with pesticides as organic since they are more profitable?

Ask yourself: whom would you trust more? A physical person in front of you, who's whole life depends on her business or a company which is legally set-up to maximize profit?

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Wish you weren't downvoted because there are probably people in power who think along the same line. 7-UP soda used to be lithiated and there have been proposals to add lithium to drinking water (mood stabilizer). People have suggested that fluoride in drinking water can achieve the same. Of course testosterone levels have been cut in half among comparable men over the last 20 years. So endocrine disruptors in our en…

Testosterone levels halved over the last 20 years? You need to back that up with some evidence please.

Scroll down to the chart: https://www.healio.com/endocrinology/hormone-therapy/news/pr...

22% decrease in total and 45% decrease in bioavailable testosterone (the more important metric)

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note: monsanto's roundup chemical is an endocrine disruptor. we put it on most of our food supply. this contributes to the high cost burden. secondary note: you don't want to have endocrine disruptors anywhere. they aren't good for you.

I wanted to up vote you, but did some research and turns out that both the FDA and the European Food Safety Authority have not found evidence that it is: "The current assessment concluded that glyphosate does not have oestrogen, androgen, thyroid and steroidogenesis (EATS)‐mediated endocrine disrupting properties based on the facts that no endocrine‐mediated adverse effects were identified in apical studies; the weak…

This may be the current assessment for mammals, but there is insufficient evidence about the endocrine effects on non-mammals. I know the original link and discussion is in relation to humans, but it's worth noting.

All animals with a nervous system have hormone-secreting structures, analogous to the endocrine system of mammals. Several studies have highlighted serious sub-lethal neurological impacts of glyphosate (not as a formulation) on agriculturally-important arthropods. I'm not aware of any conclusive research, but it seems reasonable to anticipate some of these effects may be related to endocrine signaling. Either way, the toxicity is clearly more severe for non-mammals, and their disease burden has direct and indirect costs to us.

Re: Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buy from a farmers' market, and ask. Most of the sellers will know off the top of their heads exactly how their crops have been grown and what was/wasn't used, and if they don't, that's a seller to avoid. As an added bonus, farmers' markets tend to be cheaper than supermarkets even as the food is better. It mystifies me that they aren't more commonly used and have a reputation as being for rich hipsters (i.e., like W…

Never been to a cheaper farmer’s market in my life. I’ve lived in New York, Chicago and Baltimore. Intrigued by this concept. Can’t imagine it actually exists anywhere.

Have you been making a (literal) apples to apples comparison though? I find that farmer's markets in my area (Seattle) can be cheaper than Whole Foods for organic locally sourced things in season but definitely more expensive than going to a regular grocery store.

Re: Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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How do I buy food in the US that I know hasn't been exposed to such pesticides?

Buy from a farmers' market, and ask. Most of the sellers will know off the top of their heads exactly how their crops have been grown and what was/wasn't used, and if they don't, that's a seller to avoid. As an added bonus, farmers' markets tend to be cheaper than supermarkets even as the food is better. It mystifies me that they aren't more commonly used and have a reputation as being for rich hipsters (i.e., like W…

Depending on where you are, the goods at a Farmer's Market might not really be any better: http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2016/food/farm-to-fable/far...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So just take the farmers' word for it? How do you know the farmer is actually selling produce with pesticides as organic since they are more profitable?

Ask yourself: whom would you trust more? A physical person in front of you, who's whole life depends on her business or a company which is legally set-up to maximize profit?

Physical people in front of you lie a lot, especially when they are desperate. I'd trust the large company more.
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