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Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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Re: Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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How do I buy food in the US that I know hasn't been exposed to such pesticides?

Buy from a farmers' market, and ask. Most of the sellers will know off the top of their heads exactly how their crops have been grown and what was/wasn't used, and if they don't, that's a seller to avoid. As an added bonus, farmers' markets tend to be cheaper than supermarkets even as the food is better. It mystifies me that they aren't more commonly used and have a reputation as being for rich hipsters (i.e., like W…

So just take the farmers' word for it? How do you know the farmer is actually selling produce with pesticides as organic since they are more profitable?

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Consider the possibility that some such chemicals are good for society. For example, exposure to pseudoestrogens may reduce violence. Medical literature doesn't really have a category for this -- there is only 'burden and cost' of environmental effects, assuming that any change from evolved human biology is bad. But it seems like evolved human biology is a little too violent for the society we want, and perhaps we'd…

Wish you weren't downvoted because there are probably people in power who think along the same line. 7-UP soda used to be lithiated and there have been proposals to add lithium to drinking water (mood stabilizer). People have suggested that fluoride in drinking water can achieve the same. Of course testosterone levels have been cut in half among comparable men over the last 20 years. So endocrine disruptors in our en…

Testosterone levels halved over the last 20 years? You need to back that up with some evidence please.

Re: Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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How do I buy food in the US that I know hasn't been exposed to such pesticides?

Buy from a farmers' market, and ask. Most of the sellers will know off the top of their heads exactly how their crops have been grown and what was/wasn't used, and if they don't, that's a seller to avoid. As an added bonus, farmers' markets tend to be cheaper than supermarkets even as the food is better. It mystifies me that they aren't more commonly used and have a reputation as being for rich hipsters (i.e., like W…

Farmer's markets aren't cheaper in sf. The quality is definitely better than whole foods - but some of the other retailers have great produce and lower costs than the farmers markets. I am not trying detract from farmer's markets as they are an important part of the ecosystem - but they are pretty bougie in town.

Re: Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wish you weren't downvoted because there are probably people in power who think along the same line. 7-UP soda used to be lithiated and there have been proposals to add lithium to drinking water (mood stabilizer). People have suggested that fluoride in drinking water can achieve the same. Of course testosterone levels have been cut in half among comparable men over the last 20 years. So endocrine disruptors in our en…

Testosterone levels halved over the last 20 years? You need to back that up with some evidence please.

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Re: Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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How do I buy food in the US that I know hasn't been exposed to such pesticides?

Buy from a farmers' market, and ask. Most of the sellers will know off the top of their heads exactly how their crops have been grown and what was/wasn't used, and if they don't, that's a seller to avoid. As an added bonus, farmers' markets tend to be cheaper than supermarkets even as the food is better. It mystifies me that they aren't more commonly used and have a reputation as being for rich hipsters (i.e., like W…

> It mystifies me that they aren't more commonly used and have a reputation as being for rich hipsters

Are there many farmers markets open for the second shift worker getting off at, say, 10pm?

Re: Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buy from a farmers' market, and ask. Most of the sellers will know off the top of their heads exactly how their crops have been grown and what was/wasn't used, and if they don't, that's a seller to avoid. As an added bonus, farmers' markets tend to be cheaper than supermarkets even as the food is better. It mystifies me that they aren't more commonly used and have a reputation as being for rich hipsters (i.e., like W…

Farmer's markets aren't cheaper in sf. The quality is definitely better than whole foods - but some of the other retailers have great produce and lower costs than the farmers markets. I am not trying detract from farmer's markets as they are an important part of the ecosystem - but they are pretty bougie in town.

The Alemany farmer's market on Saturday morning is cheaper than anywhere else.

Re: Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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Consider the possibility that some such chemicals are good for society. For example, exposure to pseudoestrogens may reduce violence. Medical literature doesn't really have a category for this -- there is only 'burden and cost' of environmental effects, assuming that any change from evolved human biology is bad. But it seems like evolved human biology is a little too violent for the society we want, and perhaps we'd…

Consider the possibility that human sovereignty doesn't give a good goddamn what's "good for society", only the ability to be free. I'll decide how I want my interactions with the rest of humanity to go, thanks. We'd be 100% safe if we were all in cells with a telescreen, or if we had our brainwaves monitored for aggressive thoughts/disruptive emotions. Think that's too extreme of a comparison? Well, that's where you…

To be cynical regarding that link, there are 2 separate facts presented but not a good explanation of why the two are related.

1) A chinese electricity company began collecting wireless sensor data in 2014

2) In April 2018 their profits were up $315M

Did they begin doing more business? Did their competition remain the same? Are they subsidized by the government somehow?

So many reasons why a utility company could be more profitable, they should explain the connection between the monitoring and profitability, otherwise someone can probably show you evidence that switching brands of office coffee increase profitability 200%.

Re: Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buy from a farmers' market, and ask. Most of the sellers will know off the top of their heads exactly how their crops have been grown and what was/wasn't used, and if they don't, that's a seller to avoid. As an added bonus, farmers' markets tend to be cheaper than supermarkets even as the food is better. It mystifies me that they aren't more commonly used and have a reputation as being for rich hipsters (i.e., like W…

Farmer's markets aren't cheaper in sf. The quality is definitely better than whole foods - but some of the other retailers have great produce and lower costs than the farmers markets. I am not trying detract from farmer's markets as they are an important part of the ecosystem - but they are pretty bougie in town.

That's unfortunate. I suspect it's a supply-and-demand thing: SF probably has more residents per capita who want to buy from farmers' markets than anywhere else in the country, and so prices rise accordingly. That definitely isn't the case in most places though (not even Seattle), so I stand by my advice for everyone else.

Re: Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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Does anyone have the PDF to the full article? I'm curious to read more than the summary.

Check Sci-Hub. Their domain changes all the time though, so here's my procedure:

1. Go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci-Hub 2. Click the first link on the right-hand sidebar under "website". 3. Paste the OP's link there.

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