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How to Lose $3B of Bitcoin in India

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Re: How to Lose $3B of Bitcoin in India

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From the article, it seems like I didn't really understand the implications of Modi's actions to invalidate so much hard currency. Could someone familiar with the matter talk more about what the days/weeks following Modi's announcement looked like for the every day Indian?

MENACE, MENACE is the only world that can be used to describe the post-demonetization days. A guy who people of the largest democracy in the world chose to be their leader, effed up their lives and pretty much sure many made billions out if it. It was pretty much a scam that was pulled under the umbrella of "It will bring back all the un-taxed currency under scrutiny", but was really just another day when financially lower and financially middle-class citizens got effed by the turds sitting in the govt. and the lobby they suck up to. People were crying and begging for their own money outside of banks. BAnk employees were working 18hrs 7 times a week. There were many meters long queues outside of every ATM, and trust me there are a hell lot of ATMs in India(clearly because of the population). If you ever want to pull off a con act of duping someone of their own hard earned money, people of Modi REGIME are the con-artists you have to meet with.

Re: How to Lose $3B of Bitcoin in India

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From the article, it seems like I didn't really understand the implications of Modi's actions to invalidate so much hard currency. Could someone familiar with the matter talk more about what the days/weeks following Modi's announcement looked like for the every day Indian?

> Could someone familiar with the matter talk more about what the days/weeks following Modi's announcement looked like for the every day Indian? People with money sold extra rupees to people below the maximum conversion at a small discount. Bank deposits bumped up, which was the point of the exercise—Indian state-owned banks are woefully uncompetitive and undercapitalised. The line about dirty rupees being extinguish…

I dont think this made a difference - If bank of Indore has given out bad loans under pressure to politically connected people, deposits to HDFC do not fix the liability imbalance.

And then after all of this - we gave out massive loan waivers to farmers yet again.

So back to square one I suppose?

Re: How to Lose $3B of Bitcoin in India

#73

From the article, it seems like I didn't really understand the implications of Modi's actions to invalidate so much hard currency. Could someone familiar with the matter talk more about what the days/weeks following Modi's announcement looked like for the every day Indian?

IMO it was done to recapitalise banks which are getting drowned in NPAs. Not sure if it worked out or not in that sense.

People also say it was done to win some state elections. Modi says it was for the war against corruption/black money and to improve the tax base.

Re: How to Lose $3B of Bitcoin in India

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>>Cash transactions are happening with smaller builders, but even they are finding it difficult to find buyers with a lot of liquid cash. Its impossible to register a property in Karnataka, without a PAN card/number. So in short for high value transaction its already possible to have tax accountability. Same with jewelry. The question is that of enforcement. You don't need to demonetize anything for these things. >>P…

> Its impossible to register a property in Karnataka, without a PAN card/number. So in short for high value transaction its already possible to have tax accountability. Same with jewelry. The question is that of enforcement. You don't need to demonetize anything for these things. How do you explain the actual change that has occured in the real estate market then? > What is going to be a bigger surprise to you is dis…

>>How do you explain the actual change that has occured in the real estate market then?

What change has happened in the Real estate market? The big builders are continuing to sell their inventories as they were doing before with cheques and RTGS transactions.

People still continue pay bribes to registration offices.

In fact plots around vicinity of Bangalore are still going like hot cakes.

If you are fed up about property rates, then there is going to be no relief there. People are coming to cities for jobs through flood gates, and demand is far higher than supply. Every year one crore babies are born in India, and all of them need homes to stay 20 years from now, this is year after year, every single year.

When the demand is this high, how do you expect prices to not go up?

>>Even if it dents the black economy for 5 years

It didn't anything even for 5 minutes.

Only thing it achieved is slowed economic growth.

>>We'll take more such actions when needed.

Again, who is this 'we'.

>>vast majority of middle class in india earns less than $4 per day.

That's the poor, and they were worse effected. The unorganized sector where these people are largely employed suffered and many jobs were lost.

>>Yup, they were forced to move it from there in 2016. Some moved it to bitcoin, as described in TFA.

Not even fools keep their money in cash, even in the past. People invest money.

Indian economy didn't exactly come magically into existence in 2016. So please...

>>Bullshit. Electrification and economic reforms can happen simultaneously in the world's seventh largest economy.

You call these 'economic reforms' :)

Great, carry on.

Re: How to Lose $3B of Bitcoin in India

#75

From the article, it seems like I didn't really understand the implications of Modi's actions to invalidate so much hard currency. Could someone familiar with the matter talk more about what the days/weeks following Modi's announcement looked like for the every day Indian?

It was an unmitigated disaster on several economic aspects. Political it had superb optics. All in all, it was a political spectacle paid for by the exchequer. Here are the critical pieces of information needed - 1) The large majority of the Indian economy is "black" - i.e, the unorganized sector. 2) Cash is the main medium of trade, years after demonitization, we are back at similar levels of cash use, indicating no…

RIP economics

Re: How to Lose $3B of Bitcoin in India

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was an unmitigated disaster on several economic aspects. Political it had superb optics. All in all, it was a political spectacle paid for by the exchequer. Here are the critical pieces of information needed - 1) The large majority of the Indian economy is "black" - i.e, the unorganized sector. 2) Cash is the main medium of trade, years after demonitization, we are back at similar levels of cash use, indicating no…

RIP economics

From: http://www.caravanmagazine.in/reportage/son-of-the-sangh

The Delhi-based lobbyist told me a story he had heard from a minister. On 8 November 2016, as Modi prepared to announce his surprise decision to annul all high-denomination bank notes, he gathered his top ministers. After handing each a piece of blank paper, he asked for their opinions on whether he should withdraw all Rs 1,000 notes, all Rs 500 notes, or both. “Jaitley, being the finance minister, said, ‘We can demonetise 1,000-rupee notes but not 500-rupee notes. It will be a big jolt.’ To which Modi, not in jest but sarcasm, said, ‘Are you saying this because lawyers mostly store their money in 500s?’ Rajnath said, ‘Pehle hi kar dena chahiye tha, I am fully supportive of it.’” Venkaiah Naidu, also a cabinet minister, supported the move as well. Then it was Gadkari’s turn. “He said, ‘This problem of black money should be finished once and for all. Demonetise everything from 1,000 to 100. Nobody keeps bundles of 50-rupee notes.’ Modi was taken aback.” When a colleague later asked Gadkari about this, “he said, ‘He had already made up his mind, he was just doing a paper exercise to corner us. So I tried to go one up on him.’

In short it was the Prime ministers personal pet project, done to drain out the cache of money held by opposition parties.

Gone horribly wrong.

Re: How to Lose $3B of Bitcoin in India

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was an unmitigated disaster on several economic aspects. Political it had superb optics. All in all, it was a political spectacle paid for by the exchequer. Here are the critical pieces of information needed - 1) The large majority of the Indian economy is "black" - i.e, the unorganized sector. 2) Cash is the main medium of trade, years after demonitization, we are back at similar levels of cash use, indicating no…

RIP economics

pretty much. But, they really found a way to cut the gem with most of the cost being borne by others and their opposition, while the positive optics being in their favor.

Horrible, and hopefully not precedent setting.

Re: How to Lose $3B of Bitcoin in India

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> AMP version: not loading, I assumed due to blocked JS, but I just went back to check, and oh it finally loaded.. so maybe it eventually falls back with my first-party-only JS policy. Looks like the culprit is this piece of code: body { animation:-amp-start 8s steps(1,end) 0s 1 normal both} @keyframes -amp-start{from{visibility:hidden}to{visibility:visible} } Why they purposely degrade the experience is beyond me.

Because they can. A advertising company punishes people who run adblockers, nothing surprising

I'm blocking third-party JS, not specifically ads.

Re: How to Lose $3B of Bitcoin in India

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but everybody knows the approx. creation rate of bitcoins. Fiat money creation is not predictable to the same mathematical degree.

No one knows who Satoshi Nakamoto is, if he's alive, and whether he will use his bitcoin in the future. He could move the market if he chooses. At one point he was an oligarch, correct? He had money and political power as far as Bitcoin is concerned.

i dont believe the spending of Satoshi's (nor anybody else's coins) would cause any issue, since the market knows of the existence of these coins. It's that bitcoin is quite volatile due to its immaturity as a currency and commodity (it seems to act as both atm...)

Unless satoshi has somehow hidden a large chunk of coins that has never been released somehow (which, would be weird, since as soon as they release it, it would invalidate the current chain!)

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