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Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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Pointless attempt to tie a political view to a tragedy, please don't do this. There have been massacres, bombings, dramatic suicides, etc long before the Reagan administration and none of them have claimed "If I would have only had 20% more compensation I wouldn't have violently murdered these 20 people." P.S. It's godspeed, not "God speed".

No one says that outright but poverty and violent extremism are pretty closely linked. Its not the only factor ofc, and youll always have outliers, but comfortable people with things worth losing are less likely to do something to endanger that.

Income inequality and violent crime are linked. Absolute poverty is tolerable to the psyche so long as everyone is in the same boat.

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Which part of an MBA syllabus deals with suicidally insane employees, again? I'm guessing the bit about liability insurance coverage, maybe? I'm 100% willing to bet it's not a section on how to help and retain employees with mental health issues by dealing with things in a sensitive and understanding fashion though, sadly...

Ethics, supposedly.

Ethics was just to educate on what they are, and how to manipulate other people’s ethics based on their view of the worls.

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Reading the dialog I think it's fair to say that both a) the man was not quite well, and b) the only motivation he actually DID suggest was the stress of low wage. So there's that.

He seemed to throw the minimum wage thing in as an afterthought though, not sure that was actually a significant motivation for him.

Yes, definite afterthought. Or perhaps rather a best a guess at an unknown trigger. It seemed he acted on an impulse.

It’s like if my doctor asks me why I think my blood pressure is suddenly extreme. It would be the first time I reflected over it.

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You’ve clearly never been suicidal. When you are, you don’t care about anything; not even yourself. Also, nothing scares you. So when you finally kill yourself, pain to yourself and others are the least of your worries.

But that was not the case here. The guy was pretty open about not wanting to hurt or even inconvenience anyone else.

I think he drew a great line: he didn’t want to hurt anyone but didn’t mind destroying property.

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No no no. People who overpaid for medallions gambled and lost. It is not my problem to subsidize. Why not also subsidize traders who lose on a stock? If you want a society where people can't lose then you also get a society where no one wins.

I wouldn’t necessarily say you’re wrong, but (at least in the US) we have a long history of taxpayer-subsidized bailouts for the very wealthy who take gambles and lose (e.g., 80s S&L crisis, but there are countless others). It’s an interesting and unfortunate cultural aspect of America that we really, really hate the poor, and seek to hold them accountable for their actions to a degree that we simply don’t do for the…

Because betterofchuck is not with us anymore, I have copied his comment, which I think is important for a myriad of reasons. Predominantly because _this is how america works_, we punish, we do not fix.

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Poverty is the Lord's way of anointing the sinners for the righteous to cull.

Ephesians 1:11 “In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.”

The parts of US culture I am familiar with blur the lines between godliness and wealth pretty far. It is a common belief that the poor are being justly punished for their sins, and that only good things happen to good people.

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>Just look at the situation in NYC with ride-sharing and all the taxi driver suicides. To clarify this, it is not 'taxi driver' suicides, it is suicides by medallion investors. Most drivers do not own medallions. http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2012/06/taxi...

There are plenty of non-medallion drivers being squeezed by the recent Uber/Lyft boom. A poster above me highlights one example of a livery driver whose income fell precipitously after the ride-sharing floodgates opened. Even Uber/Lyft drivers themselves are being squeezed (which I guess is the whole point). Look at the conditions that many bay area ride-sharing drivers face... driving hours from their homes outside…

"You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is."

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Often these types of suicides aren't given publicity, though this one was too much of a spectacle to ignore. There was a man who shot himself on the steps of a government(?) building, which is a town over from where I'm originally from, because he was laid off. A friend showed me the note he left on Facebook before it got deleted. It was very clear that he had been struggling financially for years and the layoff was…

Wasn't entirely deleted from the record -- his story lives on in a small but nonzero way with this comment of yours, for example. But yes, sad that it probably didn't get the attention he wanted. Was there no news article explaining his suicide and the causes?

Mental health organisations see reporting on the "cause" of a suicide as unhelpful, even when there is a note. Not that their guidelines are normally adhered to.

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This is something that's made me think a lot about the health care debate. Would it not be just that, if we're going to rewrite the economic rules in some areas, we give partial compensation towards those we just screwed over? Presumably we're changing the rules because of progress (e.g. Uber and Lyft showing on-demand rideshare has a market), which is good for everyone. But say the human lifespan is 85 years +/-. 25…

No no no. People who overpaid for medallions gambled and lost. It is not my problem to subsidize. Why not also subsidize traders who lose on a stock? If you want a society where people can't lose then you also get a society where no one wins.

> People who overpaid for medallions gambled and lost.

Earning a livelihood is not gambling. The taxi drivers had entered the market for medallions under specific circumstances and IMHO should be compensated by government if government unilaterally breaks the deal.

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Surprising it has taken decades for someone to try this. At least we don't have to wait on delayed planes while the pilot tracks down the key...

> Surprising it has taken decades for someone to try this. It last happened 7 years ago. From the article: > Colton Harris-Moore, nicknamed the Barefoot Bandit, was sentenced in 2011 for stealing small planes, which he had learned to fly himself as a teenager after reading flight manuals.

This is quiet entertaining:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colton_Harris_Moore

He is a Trump supporter BTW.

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Ethics, supposedly.

Ethics was just to educate on what they are, and how to manipulate other people’s ethics based on their view of the worls.

You can’t use education alone to force someone to not be a sociopath.
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