This has been another episode of “the effect of sodium chloride on human health.” See you yet again next decade!
Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study
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Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
AFAIK, butter is still worse then no butter (and more calories from whole plant foods instead). Margarine may or may not be worse than butter (I think it is worse). It is better to avoid/reduce all refined fats (oils), except maybe for a high DHA omega 3 supplement. If you want to eat for health, look into WFPB, they have a lot of science on their side.
Getting definitive information on nutrition always seems to be a lot harder than it should be in 2018
Nutrition is a pseudo-science.
Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study
#63As with almost everything else moderation is key. Some salt is good, too much is bad. The question is where you are on that scale.
> too much is bad In what way? Your kidneys dump any excess salt your body doesn't need. The long standing 20th century salt alarmism has no basis in reality.
> > too much is bad
> In what way?
“Of course too much is bad for you. Too much of anything is bad for you. (…) That’s what “too much” means. (…) “Too much” is precisely that quantity which is excessive. That’s what it means.”
Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study
#64And to play devil's advocate, the opposite findings from just this June https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180622012101.h...
Nutrition Science is a huge mess even though it is a core part of human health. As in, it is a total disaster. Here's something depressing to think about: if the Keto people are correct, mainstream nutrition science was a key contributor to American obesity crisis and resulted in countless premature deaths and major suffering over the last few decades. Anyway, recently I wanted to look into whether or not eggs are go…
What's the solution?
Should we heavily invest in Quantified Self as a society? I'm sure we have the technology to make it worthwhile, but I'm not sure most people would be willing to do so due to privacy concerns.
Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
AFAIK, butter is still worse then no butter (and more calories from whole plant foods instead). Margarine may or may not be worse than butter (I think it is worse). It is better to avoid/reduce all refined fats (oils), except maybe for a high DHA omega 3 supplement. If you want to eat for health, look into WFPB, they have a lot of science on their side.
WFPB, whole food plant based diet. No meat, no fish, no dairy. You can eat fruit but you can't juice it. Seems a bit of a misery diet to me.
Juicing, cooking, tofu making is minimally pocessed and generally accepted in WFPB circles.
I't the point where you refine something (oil from seeds, sugar from beets) where it is against the protocol.
> Seems a bit of a misery diet to me.
I was not trying to make you happy. I stated it has a lot of science on it's side. There are some great cooking resources on how to make it taste/look/whatever great. Wanna know more about the science, see How Not To Die.
Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
AFAIK, butter is still worse then no butter (and more calories from whole plant foods instead). Margarine may or may not be worse than butter (I think it is worse). It is better to avoid/reduce all refined fats (oils), except maybe for a high DHA omega 3 supplement. If you want to eat for health, look into WFPB, they have a lot of science on their side.
Getting definitive information on nutrition always seems to be a lot harder than it should be in 2018
See the book How Not To Die. As I see it it is converging quite a bit lately. But it is hard, sure. We know so much, but how to boil it down to something we can practice (that's what WFPB seems to be about to me).
Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study
#67And to play devil's advocate, the opposite findings from just this June https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180622012101.h...
Nutrition Science is a huge mess even though it is a core part of human health. As in, it is a total disaster. Here's something depressing to think about: if the Keto people are correct, mainstream nutrition science was a key contributor to American obesity crisis and resulted in countless premature deaths and major suffering over the last few decades. Anyway, recently I wanted to look into whether or not eggs are go…
Nutrition is, for the most part, not science at all.
Studies are not just financed by obvious interests in the result, but also they use really poor population samples with horrible falsability and repeatability issues.
The fact that we still don't have a fully functional human body model to test theories on, doesn't help either.
Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study
#68And to play devil's advocate, the opposite findings from just this June https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180622012101.h...
Nutrition Science is a huge mess even though it is a core part of human health. As in, it is a total disaster. Here's something depressing to think about: if the Keto people are correct, mainstream nutrition science was a key contributor to American obesity crisis and resulted in countless premature deaths and major suffering over the last few decades. Anyway, recently I wanted to look into whether or not eggs are go…
> mainstream nutrition science was a key contributor to American obesity crisis
This seems unlikely given that mainstream nutrition science is the same in most of the western world, but the obesity levels are far more severe in the US. From what I hear from friends who have travelled to the US (from the UK), standard portion sizes can be over twice as over on your side of the pond. And it can be very difficult to travel anywhere without a car. Seems to me this might have the bigger effect.
That said nutrition science really is a mess. Hopefully we'll work it out one day :)
Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
AFAIK, butter is still worse then no butter (and more calories from whole plant foods instead). Margarine may or may not be worse than butter (I think it is worse). It is better to avoid/reduce all refined fats (oils), except maybe for a high DHA omega 3 supplement. If you want to eat for health, look into WFPB, they have a lot of science on their side.
> AFAIK, butter is still worse then no butter (and more calories from whole plant foods instead). Many would dispute this if you're alluding to it being heavy in saturated fat which there's heavy dispute over. > Margarine may or may not be worse than butter (I think it is worse). Doesn't seem consistent with your logic of less refined is better. > If you want to eat for health, look into WFPB, they have a lot of scie…
I see a many clear reasons to avoid/reduce any processed fat (oils, butter, etc). It is not part of what primates ate, so good chance we're not well adapted to it. It is too calorie dense. It blocks insulin. It becomes fat (carbs barely become fat), especially when combined with carbs (as is common). It often comes with cholesterol.
> Doesn't seem consistent with your logic of less refined is better.
That's why I continue to say its better to avoid both. More or less as bad as butter is still quite bad either way.
> So basically veganism.
Yeah. When applied for health reasons, it's called a plant based diet. Since you can make junk-food from plants, the WFPB word came about.
> Pretty much a non-starter for most people.
Stopping smoking is also hard. Wanne live longer/healthier? Look into WFPB. Wanne do what you always did? It is still legal, no worries as of yet.
Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study
#70As with almost everything else moderation is key. Some salt is good, too much is bad. The question is where you are on that scale.
> too much is bad In what way? Your kidneys dump any excess salt your body doesn't need. The long standing 20th century salt alarmism has no basis in reality.
Excess salt can kill you, that’s why we can’t live on sea water. The question is how much is excessive, not can salt hurt you.