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Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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post #17

As with almost everything else moderation is key. Some salt is good, too much is bad. The question is where you are on that scale.

> too much is bad

In what way? Your kidneys dump any excess salt your body doesn't need. The long standing 20th century salt alarmism has no basis in reality.

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

#22
I remember when butter was bad for you and my dad, who was great butter lover switched to a particular type of margarine that was marketed as being good for you. Later it turned out it had the wrong sort of fats in it. Then later again butter became OK again.

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

#23

Nutrition "science" caught again perpetuating findings based in assumption and hitting the data until it fits, not solid research? Oh no, nobody could've expected that... also "scientists who are on a crusade to reduce our salt consumption to near zero". Like pope Urban II always said, no better place to do sound research than on a crusade.

Salt increases intravascular osmolarity, which increases water retention to correct the osmolarity. This is freshman inorganic chemistry. There's plenty of biomedical science behind renal pathophysiology and the link between salt and blood pressure is as close to an if-then statement as there is in medicine. We use all sorts of drugs and methods to play with this central mechanism and can observe the effects in real…

> The vast majority of healthy people don't benefit

If there's indeed no benefit, then the message is actively harmful, because it causes people who follow it to suffer (from bad-tasting food, in this case).

And of course, once they learn that they've essentially been lied to, they'll learn to ignore all "X is healthy/unhealthy for you" messages, which is probably a good thing given how many of them turn out to be wrong. (And if salt does not cause problems for most people, telling them that they need to eat less of it is wrong).

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

#24
post #17

As with almost everything else moderation is key. Some salt is good, too much is bad. The question is where you are on that scale.

> too much is bad In what way? Your kidneys dump any excess salt your body doesn't need. The long standing 20th century salt alarmism has no basis in reality.

Unless you are like me and have mild kidney failure and your kidneys cant really dump much of anything easily! All parameters should be based on personal experimentation

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

#25

Nutrition "science" caught again perpetuating findings based in assumption and hitting the data until it fits, not solid research? Oh no, nobody could've expected that... also "scientists who are on a crusade to reduce our salt consumption to near zero". Like pope Urban II always said, no better place to do sound research than on a crusade.

Salt increases intravascular osmolarity, which increases water retention to correct the osmolarity. This is freshman inorganic chemistry. There's plenty of biomedical science behind renal pathophysiology and the link between salt and blood pressure is as close to an if-then statement as there is in medicine. We use all sorts of drugs and methods to play with this central mechanism and can observe the effects in real…

But doesn't this same principle apply to everything you eat? Too much vitamin A, too much sugar, too many preservatives, too much caffeine, etc... Some things are detrimental to the body, and are not food, some things are food, but are only detrimental at large quantities. (what isn't?)

But, your argument seems like a evasion of the truth, salt is actually food. (unless you want to argue that salt is not food, then your argument would not really apply in the same way)

If you are going to claim "too much salt" = "salt is bad", "because science", then don't you have to argue how bad water is as well (in the same manner), because the renal system also gets rid of excess water too...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/16614865/ns/us_news-life/t/woman-d...

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Salt in itself may not be bad. But salt makes food taste better, which tends to make people eat more, which causes people to gain weight. And being overweight brings with it health issues. It's the second order effects that you need to be aware of when asking if something is "good" or "bad".

Hear hear. Also I'd bet that a given quantity of salt sprinked on french fries raises the blood pressure more than the same amount dissolved in a glass of water accompanying unsalted fries. Wonder if anyone has tested this (or similar)?

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

#28
post #22

I remember when butter was bad for you and my dad, who was great butter lover switched to a particular type of margarine that was marketed as being good for you. Later it turned out it had the wrong sort of fats in it. Then later again butter became OK again.

AFAIK, butter is still worse then no butter (and more calories from whole plant foods instead).

Margarine may or may not be worse than butter (I think it is worse). It is better to avoid/reduce all refined fats (oils), except maybe for a high DHA omega 3 supplement.

If you want to eat for health, look into WFPB, they have a lot of science on their side.

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

#29
post #17

As with almost everything else moderation is key. Some salt is good, too much is bad. The question is where you are on that scale.

> too much is bad In what way? Your kidneys dump any excess salt your body doesn't need. The long standing 20th century salt alarmism has no basis in reality.

Less work for kidneys? Any side effects before excess salt is dumped? Like with anything too much of a good thing could be bad.
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