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Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by oliveshell »

briandear wrote: post #67
Ivoirians wrote: post #43

It's despicable, isn't it? Like, there are climate change deniers that are overly-skeptical or gullible and buy into the mountains of misinformation. And then there are those like Steve Goddard who sit down every day and work their asses off creating said misinformation (check his twitter). Actively manipulating and cherrypicking data to deceive for personal gain (whether it be paychecks, political favor, whatever).…

A fair question: has the climate alarmist side not cherry picked or even used fraudulent data to suit their cause as well? https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/01/leaked-e... Our skepticism isn’t about the climate changing, (remember when it was called global warming?) it’s a skepticism about the causes and the degree to which human influence plays a significant role. Any time there is any skepticism at a…

This whole thing makes me sad. There shouldn’t be any political overtones at all. The science behind climate change is relatively straightforward (greenhouse effect is real, humans dump mountains of CO2 into the atmosphere constantly) and the whole thing just makes sense to reasonable, intelligent people once they have the knowledge to consider it thoughtfully.

That being said, there’s absolutely nothing we can do about it at this point. Unless we find a way to stop crisscrossing the oceans in quarter-mile-long, bunker-sludge-burning cargo ships and flying jets all over the place.

Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by glhaynes »

briandear wrote: post #67
Ivoirians wrote: post #43

It's despicable, isn't it? Like, there are climate change deniers that are overly-skeptical or gullible and buy into the mountains of misinformation. And then there are those like Steve Goddard who sit down every day and work their asses off creating said misinformation (check his twitter). Actively manipulating and cherrypicking data to deceive for personal gain (whether it be paychecks, political favor, whatever).…

A fair question: has the climate alarmist side not cherry picked or even used fraudulent data to suit their cause as well? https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/01/leaked-e... Our skepticism isn’t about the climate changing, (remember when it was called global warming?) it’s a skepticism about the causes and the degree to which human influence plays a significant role. Any time there is any skepticism at a…

"(remember when it was called global warming?)"

I keep seeing this phrase lately. What does it mean? [To clarify, I'm asking about why people keep saying "remember when it was called…" as though it proves some point about it. Global warming is still an accurate description of the predicted and confirmed phenomenon.]

Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by lozenge »

splintercell wrote: post #30
bjourne wrote: post #22

We really need to do something now! The summer has been un-fucking-believably hot. Climate change is not something that will happen in the "future" -- we have to avoid a global ecosystem collapse in the next 10-15 years. :(

I know the Pascal's wager argument for action on Climate change (which is that if there is even 1% chance of climate change being real then why not act on it since the downside of acting is nothing ), but the question is, what if climate change is NOT man-made? If there is even 1% chance that climate change is a naturally occurring phenomenon then all our efforts to 'stop' greenhouse gas emissions is not going to giv…

It's about risk management. What you suggest would work in the 1% case (using your suggested 1% chance without debating it), but we would still need to do something about the 99% case.

This is called the precautionary principle.

Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by martinpw »

gok wrote: post #23
techsupporter wrote: post #18

> We can completely ignore the fact that over the years the average location of all the contributing stations has moved slightly northward to colder territory[.] Woah, that's not something I'd considered. Are weather stations that contribute to NOAA operated by the volunteer public, kind of like Weather Underground? Either way, that's pretty interesting that there's a distinct northward migration in at least one "dem…

That graph is...questionable. The entire Y axis only covers 55 kilometers. I’m sure the NOAA has more principled ways of accounting for station movement.

55km is not insignificant though. Some very rough estimates - 55km is 0.5% of the distance from the equator to the pole. If the temperature range between those two extremes is 50C then the shift corresponds to a net cooling of 0.25C, which seems like it would have a noticable impact on those graphs.

Obviously there is more to it than that, but I don't think it makes it a non-issue.

Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by [deleted] »

briandear wrote: post #67
Ivoirians wrote: post #43

It's despicable, isn't it? Like, there are climate change deniers that are overly-skeptical or gullible and buy into the mountains of misinformation. And then there are those like Steve Goddard who sit down every day and work their asses off creating said misinformation (check his twitter). Actively manipulating and cherrypicking data to deceive for personal gain (whether it be paychecks, political favor, whatever).…

A fair question: has the climate alarmist side not cherry picked or even used fraudulent data to suit their cause as well? https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/01/leaked-e... Our skepticism isn’t about the climate changing, (remember when it was called global warming?) it’s a skepticism about the causes and the degree to which human influence plays a significant role. Any time there is any skepticism at a…

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Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by tokyodude »

briandear wrote: post #67
Ivoirians wrote: post #43

It's despicable, isn't it? Like, there are climate change deniers that are overly-skeptical or gullible and buy into the mountains of misinformation. And then there are those like Steve Goddard who sit down every day and work their asses off creating said misinformation (check his twitter). Actively manipulating and cherrypicking data to deceive for personal gain (whether it be paychecks, political favor, whatever).…

A fair question: has the climate alarmist side not cherry picked or even used fraudulent data to suit their cause as well? https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/01/leaked-e... Our skepticism isn’t about the climate changing, (remember when it was called global warming?) it’s a skepticism about the causes and the degree to which human influence plays a significant role. Any time there is any skepticism at a…

I was a believer and then watched this and lost some of my faith

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vaiZ5BHaUMY

I believe if you want a solution you're going to have to work on things people want like Elon Musk’s batteries and solar roofs. Find a way to make the market work for you or youre unlikely to get support

Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by orf »

briandear wrote: post #67
Ivoirians wrote: post #43

It's despicable, isn't it? Like, there are climate change deniers that are overly-skeptical or gullible and buy into the mountains of misinformation. And then there are those like Steve Goddard who sit down every day and work their asses off creating said misinformation (check his twitter). Actively manipulating and cherrypicking data to deceive for personal gain (whether it be paychecks, political favor, whatever).…

A fair question: has the climate alarmist side not cherry picked or even used fraudulent data to suit their cause as well? https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/01/leaked-e... Our skepticism isn’t about the climate changing, (remember when it was called global warming?) it’s a skepticism about the causes and the degree to which human influence plays a significant role. Any time there is any skepticism at a…

> Given that a large segment of the climate change advocacy also “coincidentally” support far left economic policies as a “remedy,”

Yeah, what if we make a better, cleaner and more sustainable society by accident? How terrible would that be.

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Post by educationdata »

Ivoirians wrote: post #43

It's despicable, isn't it? Like, there are climate change deniers that are overly-skeptical or gullible and buy into the mountains of misinformation. And then there are those like Steve Goddard who sit down every day and work their asses off creating said misinformation (check his twitter). Actively manipulating and cherrypicking data to deceive for personal gain (whether it be paychecks, political favor, whatever).…

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