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Are you assuming people who take antipsychotics don't eat more?
It's both: if you dysregulate the metabolism, that affects hunger levels and cravings as well.
Proof?
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#42I've been experimenting with calorie restriction, water fasting, and intermittent fasting for 2 1/2 years and you don't need to go as extreme as one meal per day to see results. The hunger gets much easier to manage. I don't think that people should do it without also adopting a high-nutrient diet (vegetables, legumes, whole foods, nuts, seeds, fruits, etc.), because there isn't much room for empty calories.
What’s the minimal you need to do to see results? As a measure of spectrum.
I don't have all the sources at hand, but ...
It seems that you feeding windows between 4-10 hours has an measurable effect. It seems likely that 4 hours is probably what humans need to get all the lifelong benefits noticeable in mice and rats–rats and mice have much higher metabolism than humans.
The effect from intermitted fasting comes from many different mechanisms
* (Review) Metabolic Control of Longevity https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(16)30981-3.pdf
* Fasting, Circadian Rhythms, and Time-Restricted Feeding in Healthy Lifespan https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/pdf/S1550-4131(16)30250...
* Promoting Health and Longevity through Diet: From Model Organisms to Humans https://www.cell.com/cell/abstract/S0092-8674(15)00186-5
* Intermittent Fasting Promotes White Adipose Browning and Decreases Obesity by Shaping the Gut Microbiota https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(17)...
* Short-Term, Intermittent Fasting Induces Long-Lasting Gut Health and TOR-Independent Lifespan Extension https://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(18)...
* Intermittent Fasting Confers Protection in CNS Autoimmunity by Altering the Gut Microbiota https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(18)...
* Early Time-Restricted Feeding Improves Insulin Sensitivity, Blood Pressure, and Oxidative Stress Even without Weight Loss in Men with Prediabetes https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131%281...
* A Periodic Diet that Mimics Fasting Promotes Multi-System Regeneration, Enhanced Cognitive Performance, and Healthspan https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131%281...
Re: The Bhikkhu Diet (2003)
#43I wonder whether calories in - calories out is too simplistic a picture. Why do people put on antipsychotics gain an ungodly amount of weight? If metabolism slows down sufficiently, it will take more effort to burn those calories you take in (even if one hasn't substantially increased ones intake). This is a complex issue and I wish more scientists studied the link between medications and weight gain.
Yes, calories in - calories out is too simplistic. It really ought to be modelled with a partial differential equation, where calories out depends on calories in, current fat storage, exercise levels, sleep routine, stress, and more, with all of those things being affected by subjective energy level. It is a well established fact that the body makes a host of metabolic adjustments in response to changes in diet.
I've heard from 2 dieticians (professional, not online), that the primary way we lose weight is through our breath.
Food we eat is drained of nutrients and excreted. The excretions are less than the food, and the rest is absorbed into the body.
The other excretion we have is sweat, which is primarily salts and water.
The only avenue in which we can shed weight is by CO2 exhaled...
(I do not have a citation for this from a paper, but heard the same description from 2 different dieticians. I accepted this as fact.)
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#44I've been experimenting with calorie restriction, water fasting, and intermittent fasting for 2 1/2 years and you don't need to go as extreme as one meal per day to see results. The hunger gets much easier to manage. I don't think that people should do it without also adopting a high-nutrient diet (vegetables, legumes, whole foods, nuts, seeds, fruits, etc.), because there isn't much room for empty calories.
Whenever I try something like this, my work productivity absolutely plummets. I am unable to focus during the day. How do people keep their mental energy up while fasting or when in fasted state?
I do IT on an ad-hoc basis. 16 hour fasts maybe 5 days per week. After a short period of adaptation I've found I'm just not bothered by hunger any more, up until the time I usually eat (11am-ish). It seems that my body has learned when it can expect to eat and hunger doesn't become an issue until around the time. So, to answer your question, perhaps you need to try for a few weeks, if you haven't do so already.
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#45Fad diets here, fad diets there, fad diets everywhere. Don't eat this, only eat that, don't eat at these times, only eat at these times, fast, don't fast. It's been going on for decades, and it's both silly and counterproductive. There is no easy shortcut to losing weight and being in good health. It takes discipline and dedication, and a complete lifestyle change. Yes, it's hard, but we just have to deal with that,…
I don't know if it's fair to call this a fad diet, considering they have been eating in this manner literally since the time of the buddha(~500 BC).
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#46I've been experimenting with calorie restriction, water fasting, and intermittent fasting for 2 1/2 years and you don't need to go as extreme as one meal per day to see results. The hunger gets much easier to manage. I don't think that people should do it without also adopting a high-nutrient diet (vegetables, legumes, whole foods, nuts, seeds, fruits, etc.), because there isn't much room for empty calories.
Whenever I try something like this, my work productivity absolutely plummets. I am unable to focus during the day. How do people keep their mental energy up while fasting or when in fasted state?
When doing 3-5 day water fasts, I don't do much work from the 2nd day. If you're doing the 12-16 hour kind of fast, then stopping food intake at around 4 pm doesn't affect the work day.
I get tired when doing alternate day fasting (alternating the on-off switch at around 4 pm), but can still work.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
To elaborate a bit more, I try to stick with the No S Diet ( http://nosdiet.com/ ), especially the part about "no snacks". I used to be extremely prone to snacking, and it would almost always be snacks of a very unhealthy variety. So I cut out snacks almost completely, but I still let myself eat a burger+fries or a pizza once in a while. But they count as a full meal plus a bit ekstra, so my next meal will have to be…
Fad diets here, fad diets there, fad diets everywhere. Don't eat this, only eat that, don't eat at these times, only eat at these times, fast, don't fast. It's been going on for decades, and it's both silly and counterproductive. You start off complaining about fad diets and now you link to your diet which is the very epitome of a fad diet. Is there any medical research behind this diet?
What makes it a fad diet? All it says is to cut out second helpings, empty carbs and snacks. That's it.
It doesn't try to set up weird rules or "superfoods". It's simple and straight-forward, which makes it much easier to adhere to. It's not a diet, it's a permanent lifestyle change.
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#48I've been experimenting with calorie restriction, water fasting, and intermittent fasting for 2 1/2 years and you don't need to go as extreme as one meal per day to see results. The hunger gets much easier to manage. I don't think that people should do it without also adopting a high-nutrient diet (vegetables, legumes, whole foods, nuts, seeds, fruits, etc.), because there isn't much room for empty calories.
I just finished a month on a beef-only diet and I've never felt so good in my life. Stable energy all day, the bottomless pit in my stomach is gone (a combination of depression, cravings, and not feeling satiated). Two days ago I ran out of money for beef, so I'm back to eating mostly carbs (and grains), and within 36 hours my depression and skin problems are back. It's amazing, like an on/off switch for my well bein…
Interesting, do you think a 2/3 beef diet would give some results
Were you grilling steak, how else can you prepare straight beef?
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's both: if you dysregulate the metabolism, that affects hunger levels and cravings as well.
Proof?
Here's one example: substances which increase metabolic output (and can cause mania/psychosis) suppress the appetite (Adderall, Ritalin, Meth) and have been marketed as appetite suppressants in the past. I have used their little sister, caffeine for this same purpose earlier this week.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just finished a month on a beef-only diet and I've never felt so good in my life. Stable energy all day, the bottomless pit in my stomach is gone (a combination of depression, cravings, and not feeling satiated). Two days ago I ran out of money for beef, so I'm back to eating mostly carbs (and grains), and within 36 hours my depression and skin problems are back. It's amazing, like an on/off switch for my well bein…
Interesting, do you think a 2/3 beef diet would give some results Were you grilling steak, how else can you prepare straight beef?
Yes, I was cheating occasionally due to severe cravings, so it was about 80% beef. (All beef meals plus occasional carby snack).
The adaptation period was very rough (about 2 weeks). 3-4 weeks in I began to feel amazing. I started with steak, switched to mincemeat (cheaper, and more fat -- you need a lot of fat if you cut out carbs), and now switched to veganism due to being broke.