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Re: The Bhikkhu Diet (2003)

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Post by stealthmodeclan » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 3:57 PM UTC

In my opinion, the best diet is what your forefathers ate.

I've a firm belief that the ability to extract nutrients depends on the genetics.

So changing your environmet or diet can have adverse effects like more diseases. Even lifestyle shouldn't be changed drastically in my opinion, even if someone pays you more to do exactly that.

Gene function depends on the nutrition and environment.

Genes learn slowly, so things must change a little over generation for learning to happen.

Ofcourse, a Human tribe is resilient to drastic changes lik famine, but please not that a large portion of the tribe gets wipped during such transition.

I would love to see the research backing for my belief.

Re: The Bhikkhu Diet (2003)

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Post by joflicu » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 3:57 PM UTC

I wonder whether calories in - calories out is too simplistic a picture. Why do people put on antipsychotics gain an ungodly amount of weight? If metabolism slows down sufficiently, it will take more effort to burn those calories you take in (even if one hasn't substantially increased ones intake). This is a complex issue and I wish more scientists studied the link between medications and weight gain.

Re: The Bhikkhu Diet (2003)

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Post by ianai » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 4:02 PM UTC

JoshMnem wrote: post #18

I've been experimenting with calorie restriction, water fasting, and intermittent fasting for 2 1/2 years and you don't need to go as extreme as one meal per day to see results. The hunger gets much easier to manage. I don't think that people should do it without also adopting a high-nutrient diet (vegetables, legumes, whole foods, nuts, seeds, fruits, etc.), because there isn't much room for empty calories.

What’s the minimal you need to do to see results? As a measure of spectrum.

Re: The Bhikkhu Diet (2003)

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Post by andai » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 4:04 PM UTC

JoshMnem wrote: post #18

I've been experimenting with calorie restriction, water fasting, and intermittent fasting for 2 1/2 years and you don't need to go as extreme as one meal per day to see results. The hunger gets much easier to manage. I don't think that people should do it without also adopting a high-nutrient diet (vegetables, legumes, whole foods, nuts, seeds, fruits, etc.), because there isn't much room for empty calories.

I just finished a month on a beef-only diet and I've never felt so good in my life. Stable energy all day, the bottomless pit in my stomach is gone (a combination of depression, cravings, and not feeling satiated).

Two days ago I ran out of money for beef, so I'm back to eating mostly carbs (and grains), and within 36 hours my depression and skin problems are back. It's amazing, like an on/off switch for my well being.

Re: The Bhikkhu Diet (2003)

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Post by andai » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 4:06 PM UTC

ianai wrote: post #23

JoshMnem wrote: post #18

I've been experimenting with calorie restriction, water fasting, and intermittent fasting for 2 1/2 years and you don't need to go as extreme as one meal per day to see results. The hunger gets much easier to manage. I don't think that people should do it without also adopting a high-nutrient diet (vegetables, legumes, whole foods, nuts, seeds, fruits, etc.), because there isn't much room for empty calories.

What’s the minimal you need to do to see results? As a measure of spectrum.

Check out Time Restricted Eating, lots of research on that lately. No change to what you eat, only within what time window.

Every day, the first substance you consume which isn't water starts a metabolic clock. You should have your last meal (or non-water drink) of the day within 12 hours of that moment. 9 or less is even better if you can manage.

Benefits include drastically cutting risk of diabetes and cancer (look into shift worker health stats), improved metabolism (on a cellular level), leading to faster weight loss (on same amount of calories), and increased endurance and muscle mass.

That's the most bang for your buck I'd say!

Here's a great introduction: Dr Rhonda Patrick JRE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6KClPkotxM

Re: The Bhikkhu Diet (2003)

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Post by chongli » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 4:07 PM UTC

joflicu wrote: post #22

I wonder whether calories in - calories out is too simplistic a picture. Why do people put on antipsychotics gain an ungodly amount of weight? If metabolism slows down sufficiently, it will take more effort to burn those calories you take in (even if one hasn't substantially increased ones intake). This is a complex issue and I wish more scientists studied the link between medications and weight gain.

Yes, calories in - calories out is too simplistic. It really ought to be modelled with a partial differential equation, where calories out depends on calories in, current fat storage, exercise levels, sleep routine, stress, and more, with all of those things being affected by subjective energy level.

It is a well established fact that the body makes a host of metabolic adjustments in response to changes in diet.

Re: The Bhikkhu Diet (2003)

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Post by dabbledash » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 4:08 PM UTC

LocalPCGuy wrote: post #16

octosphere wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the end it has to do with calories in and calories out. That is why a wholesome plate full of vegetables is great for feeling full whilst keeping calorie intake low. Also adding seeds to everything means better gut bacteria and adds fiber to a meal. I use a mix of pumpkin seeds, flax, sesame, and sunflower seeds and add it to as many meals as I can.

Calories in calories out over simplifies what is a complex issue. It is not "just" that. You even kind of contradict that statement yourself by your later paragraph.

Well, it’s sortof just that. But it’s like saying “the key to safe driving is to avoid accidents.” It’s completely true... but probably not helpful advice for a person who is having trouble avoiding accidents.

Re: The Bhikkhu Diet (2003)

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Post by atomical » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 4:08 PM UTC

It's funny how a lot of these articles start out about how the diet made them feel so good and it felt so natural. By the end they've gained back the weight. If it was so great why couldn't you continue with it? The obvious answer is that in the beginning it was new and exciting and the drawbacks were ignored.

Re: The Bhikkhu Diet (2003)

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Post by atomical » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 4:09 PM UTC

joflicu wrote: post #22

I wonder whether calories in - calories out is too simplistic a picture. Why do people put on antipsychotics gain an ungodly amount of weight? If metabolism slows down sufficiently, it will take more effort to burn those calories you take in (even if one hasn't substantially increased ones intake). This is a complex issue and I wish more scientists studied the link between medications and weight gain.

Are you assuming people who take antipsychotics don't eat more?

Re: The Bhikkhu Diet (2003)

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Post by andai » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 4:11 PM UTC

atomical wrote: post #29

joflicu wrote: post #22

I wonder whether calories in - calories out is too simplistic a picture. Why do people put on antipsychotics gain an ungodly amount of weight? If metabolism slows down sufficiently, it will take more effort to burn those calories you take in (even if one hasn't substantially increased ones intake). This is a complex issue and I wish more scientists studied the link between medications and weight gain.

Are you assuming people who take antipsychotics don't eat more?

It's both: if you dysregulate the metabolism, that affects hunger levels and cravings as well.