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Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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Well, require that only pilots have access to the key then.

Or let air traffic control diasable any plane while it’s taxiing.

That's dangerous. Imagine this remote control gets hacked and planes start getting disabled in mid air, or even while trying to take off.

An hard to copy ignition key makes a lot more sense.

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

#82

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Well, require that only pilots have access to the key then.

Or let air traffic control diasable any plane while it’s taxiing.

I’m not sure having a remote control kill switch on an airplane is the kind of backdoor that improve security (if any backdoor can, which I’d doubt).

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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Two things really caught me about this story besides the security implication. First, the skill Russell deployed from (only?) having used a PC flight simulator surprised me. If Russell in fact never had any flight experience outside a simulator, well, I'm just stunned at what he was capable of doing. (Linked in article, here for convenience.) [0] Second, and more importantly, Russell's demise is tragic, pure and simp…

> Yet, something was very broken for Russell.

That’s why Men’s Rights Movements are important, yet constantly under attack by women and male feminists. Facilities for men to speak and discuss their problems are notoriously absent from society, and of course, since they’re mostly shut down/defunded/deplatformed, the only ones that remain are groups like Incels (who, to my knowledge, prone mass murders against Stans & Staceys, ie incontrollabe reactions to aggressive femimism).

Example: There is only 1 shelter for beaten husbands in all of USA vs 2000 for women.

Other example: We fund more money towards dog shelters than homeless men shelters.

It’s not that this guy could have been saved by that, but in society we care so little about men’s problems that they just go straight from shutting up about their problems to full-on suicide. As a reminder, men commit 3x suicide of women, with a 10x success rate at killing themselves.

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or let air traffic control diasable any plane while it’s taxiing.

I’m not sure having a remote control kill switch on an airplane is the kind of backdoor that improve security (if any backdoor can, which I’d doubt).

The current "kill switch" technology for rouge airplanes is an F-18 with a few Sidewinders.

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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So soft, you can find the QRH in both the cockpit and online[0]. Or more fun learn it in an accurate simulator e.g.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0Z1WFDz81k [0] https://flyuk.aero/assets/downloads/resources/checklists/UKV...

I still don’t see the key as the problem here. The problem is society not talking to this individual earlier and trying to help.

Society cares little about men. For those interested, there are many experts on the topic, who constantly come under criticism up to deplatforming, that’s why “we” ignore those problems. Example:

- Paul Elam on Youtube,

- Stefan Molyneux,

- the heartbreaking movie “The Red Pill” 2016,

- Jamice Fiamengo,

- Karen Straughan...

She deserves a Nobel Prize for their work and it’s all on Youtube.

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure having a remote control kill switch on an airplane is the kind of backdoor that improve security (if any backdoor can, which I’d doubt).

The current "kill switch" technology for rouge airplanes is an F-18 with a few Sidewinders.

Sounds a lot safer to me and sufficient as well.

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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This is something we handle really, really badly. One bad thing happens one time (like a failed shoe bomb), and so everybody forever-more has to be permanently inconvenienced every day.

Whatever the response to this incident is, I hope (and doubt) that it will also balance the CHANCE of this happening against the huge cost and inconvenience of making it "impossible" to ever happen again.

We all know that 100% and "impossible" is not going to work, and we all know that lame "for show" security measures are a huge waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere.

The question that needs to be asked and will not is: what would be the most best positive impact for that same amount of money?

It won't be asked because it's a hard question and people are scared of hard questions.

Better make a Space Corps instead.

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

#89

It's really nice to see American Air Supremacy in response to a potential terrorist air threat. Neutralizing the stolen plane with a Sidewinder missile would have provided a slightly better show of force to would-be terrorists, but this was pretty good IMO. Our Air Force is more powerful than it's ever been, while our mental health system was better off back in the 1940s.

Had the guy been a terrorist, he could have flown that plane into Seattle or into SeatTac airport itself. They wouldn't get here in time because they were flying in from Portland. We all got lucky this time.

We got more lucky today - nobody stole any airplanes at all!

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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post #88

This is something we handle really, really badly. One bad thing happens one time (like a failed shoe bomb), and so everybody forever-more has to be permanently inconvenienced every day. Whatever the response to this incident is, I hope (and doubt) that it will also balance the CHANCE of this happening against the huge cost and inconvenience of making it "impossible" to ever happen again. We all know that 100% and "im…

I've always wondered about the true value of "for show" security measures. Requiring millions of passengers to spend 5 minutes more going through security to undergo procedures that wouldn't stop a determined terrorist definitely seems like a huge waste.

However, if the government didn't do "something", it's pretty likely that trust in the US air transportation system would shrink. Wouldn't crush it, but maybe 3 of 100 passengers would forgo air travel because they didn't feel comfortable or that their government isn't on top of it. And maybe that 3% decrease corresponds in $XXX Million in lost revenue for airlines.

So I'd believe that "for show" security measures don't actually increase security, but I'd also bet that they increase airline ridership. The moral of the story is that it's an economic response, not a security one.

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