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Re: GitLab is now running on GCP

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Post by anothergoogler »

krn wrote: post #37
anothergoogler wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hetzner would like a word with you. Not only that, but there are tons of low-profile "cloud" hosting providers who only market to a single nation or a small region. Their websites are usually not in English. A couple years ago I did some digging on prominent South Korean websites, and they were all hosted by national providers.

"On January 11, 2016, Hetzner blocked the St. Petersburg site of Novaya Gazeta, the leading oppositional, non-governmental newspaper in Russia. The newspaper marked the act as political censorship without any legal procedure." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetzner#Incidents

Kudos on your Wikipedia research, but I don't think this has anything to do with my comment.

Re: GitLab is now running on GCP

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Post by miracle2k »

anothergoogler wrote: post #31
smnrchrds wrote: post #12

I wish they hadn't done this. Google has a unique and strict interpretation of US sanctions on countries like Iran and Cuba, much more strict than that of Microsoft or Amazon. If your site is hosted on GCP, Google blocks access to it from any sanctioned countries.

If you dispute a law, your issue is with the government that passed and enforces it, not companies abiding by that law.

Other cloud providers don't do it. The idea that letting TCP packets be routed to the Google Cloud datacenter falls under "providing services" is clearly an incredibly expansive reading.

I expect Google to make a little bit of an effort here.

Re: GitLab is now running on GCP

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Post by ilikerashers »

andrewl-hn wrote: post #10

Has anybody tried GKE and EKS from Amazon? What's your opinion on the later?

I recently had a deep dive on EKS as part of an architectural review for a large scale (200+) microservice deployment. The recommendation was to strongly avoid EKS. Bad enough that the platform is brittle and expensive, the Amazon engineers sneered at Kubernetes as a "fad" and pushed us heavily towards ECS. I put it down to hubris but not a hope in hell we'd put our services onto a platform built with that attitude.

Re: GitLab is now running on GCP

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Post by smnrchrds »

otterlicious wrote: post #40
smnrchrds wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The legal requirements are lower. They are not allowed to sell hosting to persons from sanctioned countries for example, and all companies follow that rule. But interpreting the law to mean you cannot show hosted sites to visitors from those countries (like Google) or that you cannot allow downloads of free software from your website (like Oracle JRE) is an over-reaction only some companies do. The real reason is tha…

> cannot allow downloads of free software from your website (like Oracle JRE) The Oracle JRE contains strong cryptography which is illegal to export to certain sanctioned countries. It being free doesn't change anything about that. That one is actually legitimate.

It's not just JRE. You cannot download any software from Oracle, period.

Plus, is it really illegal to export cryptography software? If that is the case, why are Java downloads the only ones restricted? Shouldn't, for example, Visual Studio and .Net also be blocked? I don't think it is for any valid legal reason. Just that they cannot make money from these countries, so they can't be bothered to let them access their download servers.

Re: GitLab is now running on GCP

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Post by miracle2k »

smnrchrds wrote: post #36
anothergoogler wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you dispute a law, your issue is with the government that passed and enforces it, not companies abiding by that law.

This is not a legal requirement. Amazon and Microsoft do not do this, nor do Heroku, DigitalOcean,and countless other small and large companies. Google's interpretation of the law is unconventional and almost unique. (To the best of my knowledge, the only other company who interprets the law this way is Oracle, and that's saying something).

The IBM Softlayer Cloud does, or used to do it, as well.

Re: GitLab is now running on GCP

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Post by krn »

anothergoogler wrote: post #41
krn wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"On January 11, 2016, Hetzner blocked the St. Petersburg site of Novaya Gazeta, the leading oppositional, non-governmental newspaper in Russia. The newspaper marked the act as political censorship without any legal procedure." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetzner#Incidents

Kudos on your Wikipedia research, but I don't think this has anything to do with my comment.

I pointed out OVH as a cloud provider with a strong stance on the internet without borders.

Hetzner doesn't come even close in this regard.

Re: GitLab is now running on GCP

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Post by acdha »

d0m wrote: post #23
acdha wrote: post #11

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Do you have any evidence backing that up? It seems unlikely that, say, Microsoft would endanger a large and growing business by artificially sabotaging GitLab in a way which would be quite obvious.

Who cares about evidence and "what's more likely". Would you host your product on your competitor's servers? I'm not saying that's why they switched, but from a business perspective it makes sense to remove that risk.

What’s the actual risk? Once you’re off in conspiracy land, why not worry that they’ll pay off a supplier or something? In the real world, blowing an Azure contract or SLA would cost more in lost business than they paid for GitHub entirely.

Re: GitLab is now running on GCP

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Post by anothergoogler »

krn wrote: post #46
anothergoogler wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kudos on your Wikipedia research, but I don't think this has anything to do with my comment.

I pointed out OVH as a cloud provider with a strong stance on the internet without borders. Hetzner doesn't come even close in this regard.

Perhaps in your mind you did, but the comment I replied to was not so specific.

Re: GitLab is now running on GCP

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Post by kayone »

smallbigfish wrote: post #33
glogla wrote: post #24

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I know Amazon or Microsoft aren't much better, but it's sad to see Gitlab use Google. I though Gitlab are the good guys.

Last year we couldn't access some aws server at work because it was on US gov blacklist. An aws server that hosted maybe hundreds of other unrelated websites. Amazon is just as bad. But I guess they have better PR.

You couldn't access _some_ AWS servers for a _period of time_, and you think it's equivalent to people in Iran, Cuba, etc. being completely blocked out of GCP? And the only difference is marketing?
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