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Fun fact: Brazil has very strict gun control laws.

Brazilians are generally extremely cynical about authority and the law. News about political scandals "acabando em pizza" and confrontations with the "policia de choque" are commonplace, and day-to-day life is filled with "dar um jeitinho" and "gambiarras".

Under-the-table abortions happen all the time, politicians and police are assumed to be corrupt, invading land to steal ownership is a thing, etc.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Brazilian here. Our criminality numbers are _probably_ higher than the official numbers. The country is huge and diverse, but even the most pacific states and cities are in a bad shape if compared to almost any other country. More than 70% of the deaths are related to gang conflicts. Drugs are not the only problem. We also have a lot of cargo/truck stealing, street-level robbery, an enormous black market of stolen mo…

Whats this like for civilians that are not involved? I hear about the crime in my country, but it seems unreal to me because in my area you'd never know there were dozens of murders last weekend. Does this affect your life?

I live in Florianopolis, the capital of one of the best state to live in Brazil (Santa Catarina). I have been robbed three times. Even people who have never been a victim will have the same feeling. Burglars are seen (and effectively are) potential murders. Every now and then someone is catch by security cameras being shot during an armed assault for meaningless reasons, such as the criminal not liking your face, not liking your possessions or discovering that you work for/is a policemen.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

#133
post #27

Fun fact: Brazil has very strict gun control laws.

So does England. One has the ability to enforce them, the other doesn't. The point you are implying, that gun laws do nothing, is ridiculous.

a) It is a fun fact, and b) I think their point was gun laws do nothing without enforcement

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Random crime in general is actually pretty rare. You are always most likely to be a victim of a crime by a family member, 2nd a person you know. Even in Brazil I bet a lot of this happens in communities, where they can try to justify violence due to some perceived slight. And of course let's not forget that America's crazy gun laws are pushed by gun lobbies because they help increase sales by creating an easy way to…

> let's not forget that America's crazy gun laws are pushed by gun lobbies because they help increase sales by creating an easy way to funnel guns into South and Central America. Could we please stick to facts? US gun laws have essentially no impact on this issue. Based on murder rates, it would seem like Brazil is the place with "crazy" gun laws. Shifting responsibility for Brazil's violence to US gun manufacturers…

"Homicide rates don't directly correlate to gun availability. Mexico had 29,168 homicides in 2017 with a population of 200 million fewer people than in the US. And Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws anywhere."

Strict gun laws don't necessarily equal less gun availability.

You have to look at how effectively those gun laws are enforced, how much corruption there is in the country, gun law loopholes, the viability of the black/gray markets, etc.

The US has a much lower level of corruption than a country like Mexico, so gun laws in the US have the potential to be much more strictly enforced. The US also has many more resources to devote to stamping out the black/gray markets for guns than Mexico does.

There's also infiltration by criminals of much of Mexico's government. It's a case of the fox guarding the hen house. No wonder their gun laws are not effective.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Another Brazilian here. I’ve lived in Australia for 15 years, Brisbane for 5 and Sydney for 10. I reckon both cities are some of the cleanest safest cities in the world. I grew up in Rio, left when I was 20. Still to this day I’ve got the street reflexe. My partner, who’s Swedish, finds it mostly amusing, sometimes rude. For example: I won’t sit with my back to a door or a hallway, corridor etc. I don’t tolerate peop…

One more Brazilian here to confirm the stereotypes.

I always think photographers are like heroes for the audacity to go out with good cameras in hand all the time.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So does England. One has the ability to enforce them, the other doesn't. The point you are implying, that gun laws do nothing, is ridiculous.

a) It is a fun fact, and b) I think their point was gun laws do nothing without enforcement

If drug prohibition enforcement does not work why would people believe gun enforcement does?

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

a) It is a fun fact, and b) I think their point was gun laws do nothing without enforcement

If drug prohibition enforcement does not work why would people believe gun enforcement does?

Because drugs and guns aren't similar products.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

#138
post #18

Brazilian here. Our criminality numbers are _probably_ higher than the official numbers. The country is huge and diverse, but even the most pacific states and cities are in a bad shape if compared to almost any other country. More than 70% of the deaths are related to gang conflicts. Drugs are not the only problem. We also have a lot of cargo/truck stealing, street-level robbery, an enormous black market of stolen mo…

Brazilian here as well. We have all those problems because there is a lack of opportunity for real growth. Most violence in the country is economically motivated (muggings and carjackings). Under the last three administrations, the government focused on handouts instead of investing in infrastructure (rail, ports, etc.). The handouts got so bad with no additional revenue that the government was becoming insolvent and the rating agencies downgraded the country. The first downgrade was a shot across the bow, but when the second downgrade happened, many international institutional investors had a legal requirement to liquidate their investments and vacate the country. At that point investments dried up and growth slowed to a crawl.

The PT is a cancer in the country and has set the country back 10-20 years at least.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Where did you live in Brazil? As an American I visit the interior of São Paulo and Belo Horizonte often and have never experienced anything like this, nor does it seem my Brazilian friends live in constant anxiety.

I'm from Belo Horizonte now living in Canada... Mostly moved because couldn't take the anxiety of being in fear every single time I had to leave home. Most people just play the numbers game. I, for example, have been robbed at gunpoint, with a knife, with 4 teenagers threatening to beat me up when I was 14 and I was even "lightning kidnapped" (I don't even know the term in English, but I was put in a car and bandits…

I had a friend in São Paulo that was mugged twice in the same day.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did you live in Brazil? As an American I visit the interior of São Paulo and Belo Horizonte often and have never experienced anything like this, nor does it seem my Brazilian friends live in constant anxiety.

I'm from Belo Horizonte and the constant anxiety is real, of course it's not a problem every moment but shows up in every situation. Waiting for the bus every day of the week for 15-30min, you're very exposed, and should be careful with your phone out, and some people learn your commute time, follow you, it's rare, but if you're not paying attention, it can happen. I personally used to(don't live there anymore) doubl…

Brazil is the example I use to explain to people why I'm in favor of the 2nd amendment and Stand Your Ground laws.

When owning a gun is criminal, only criminals will have guns and everyone else will be unable to defend themselves. If ordinary citizens had guns, at least in their own home, the criminals would think twice about breaking and entering because they won't know which homes are armed.

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