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Twitter is wrong: facts are not enough to combat conspiracy theories

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Re: Twitter is wrong: facts are not enough to combat conspiracy theories

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Wouldn’t it be John Stuart Mill who is wrong? I associate him with this idea (“facts can combat lies”) more than anyone. And I think nowadays a lot of free speech advocates are beholden to Mill, whether they know it or not. Many of the best known quotes regarding the importance of free speech go back to Mill.

So, I don’t think “Twitter” is the right pronoun for this headline. But I agree with the rest of the headline. Mill seems over optimistic when considering the realities of modern propaganda.

Re: Twitter is wrong: facts are not enough to combat conspiracy theories

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What's concerning is that Apple, Google, Facebook and Spotify can (and will!) coordinate to silence voices they don't approve of. It literally doesn't matter what that voice is because the power differential of all of those companies working together vs. pretty much anything should scare us all.

I'm also 100% sure Alex Jones has a larger audience today than the day before the censorship began, so from that perspective it was even a failure.

Re: Twitter is wrong: facts are not enough to combat conspiracy theories

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What's concerning is that Apple, Google, Facebook and Spotify can (and will!) coordinate to silence voices they don't approve of. It literally doesn't matter what that voice is because the power differential of all of those companies working together vs. pretty much anything should scare us all. I'm also 100% sure Alex Jones has a larger audience today than the day before the censorship began, so from that perspectiv…

If Jones was truly silenced by Apple, Google, FB, and Spotify, how is it he also has a larger audience?

Removing him from their list is a minor inconvenience, looks nothing like the worst acts of censorship in human history.

You know how you can find Alex Jones: google.com, duckduckgo.com

It was a superficial act. You seem to get that by labeling it a failure.

Re: Twitter is wrong: facts are not enough to combat conspiracy theories

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post #3

Wouldn’t it be John Stuart Mill who is wrong? I associate him with this idea (“facts can combat lies”) more than anyone. And I think nowadays a lot of free speech advocates are beholden to Mill, whether they know it or not. Many of the best known quotes regarding the importance of free speech go back to Mill. So, I don’t think “Twitter” is the right pronoun for this headline. But I agree with the rest of the headline…

It does occur to me that one thing that is too taboo to debate is whether free speech is a good ideal.

Re: Twitter is wrong: facts are not enough to combat conspiracy theories

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What's concerning is that Apple, Google, Facebook and Spotify can (and will!) coordinate to silence voices they don't approve of. It literally doesn't matter what that voice is because the power differential of all of those companies working together vs. pretty much anything should scare us all. I'm also 100% sure Alex Jones has a larger audience today than the day before the censorship began, so from that perspectiv…

If Jones was truly silenced by Apple, Google, FB, and Spotify, how is it he also has a larger audience? Removing him from their list is a minor inconvenience, looks nothing like the worst acts of censorship in human history. You know how you can find Alex Jones: google.com, duckduckgo.com It was a superficial act. You seem to get that by labeling it a failure.

I agree it was not effective, but it's still very concerning that these companies coordinated to do this. Not every action they coordinate on will come to light like this and thus may actually be somewhat effective (think actions against regular users).
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