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Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by [deleted] »

goshx wrote: post #42
MrEfficiency wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whats this like for civilians that are not involved? I hear about the crime in my country, but it seems unreal to me because in my area you'd never know there were dozens of murders last weekend. Does this affect your life?

You never know when you are going to be targeted, so you live in this constant fear. Ask anyone who lives in Brazil what they do if they see two guys in a motorcycle coming their way. I've been robbed at gun point; I've woken up with someone inside my bedroom stealing my laptop; I've been followed home; The bus from the public transport system I used to take was stopped by criminals and set on fire; and so on. It use…

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Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by ulzeraj »

yesforwhat wrote: post #87
ulzeraj wrote: post #27

Fun fact: Brazil has very strict gun control laws.

So does England. One has the ability to enforce them, the other doesn't. The point you are implying, that gun laws do nothing, is ridiculous.

Yeap. Comparing a nation 35 times the side of the other which has cultural and economic differences is totally a valid point. There is also the fact that during a referendum about gun control the vast majority voted in favor of keeping their guns but the social democratic government chose to just ignore the results.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by GFischer »

dbelchamber wrote: post #2

Eesh. If all of this is accurate, it is problematic indeed. I wonder how many of these homicides would cease to occur if drugs were made legal in Brazil (I wonder about this worldwide). I've never understood why it's difficult for people to understand the awful incentive structures that making drugs illegal puts into motion.

Here in Uruguay, marijuana is legal, and homicides are at an all-time high (higher than Argentina and very near to the rates in Brazil, we used to be at less than a quarter).

I´m not sure if decriminalizing all drugs would change the equation much (there´s still smuggling, prostitution and other vices to lord over).

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by kikoreis »

slig wrote: post #50
epx wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He cannot because it is not true. Even the leftists (the true-blue ones) admit that left leaning governments have dropped the ball big time regarding security. As other comments already clarified, 90% of the problem is drug-related, the correct fix would be the decriminalization of them.

I know. This is the second time in a couple of weeks that I seem blatant lies about my country here on HN.

It's my country too, and I don't recognize any lies in what was linked. Can you link to sources for your claim?

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by baybal2 »

ransom1538 wrote: post #52

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Brazil "Thus, disarmament is effectively happening in Brazil,[12] as are massive gun confiscations,[13] notwithstanding its refusal by Brazilian people (at the referendum of 2005). Some argue that this will increase gun homicides. Other research shows that there is a decrease in firearm deaths correlating with disarmament.[14][15] However, 2012 marked the highest rate of gun…

One counterexample - Pakistan.

Gun ownership is legal with a license. No legal discrimination of automatic/non-automatic weapons (though there is a never ending tragicomedy in national assembly over enacting automatic arms prohibition.) Province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa famously licenses private ownership of artillery pieces.

Yet, gun crime is the last issue one cares about here. A man with a steel pipe on a dark alley is by far a bigger threat. Most robberies are done by people in terminal stages of economic marginalisation. And for the few people who have more things to steal from than their immediate personal possessions here, a bigger threat is abduction.

But there is virtually nothing like "a random guy assaults another random guy in the streets"

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by ulzeraj »

coliveira wrote: post #14
mavdi wrote: post #6

While still shocking, life in Brazil isn't the kinda Aleppo like bloodshed this article portrays. Majority of victims are young male gang members sucked into the drug turf wars.

Correct, and this happens because Brazil is one of the most disgustingly unequal countries in the world. There was a small pause during the leftist governments when there was a noted improvement in social support for the poor, but the recent events have brought even that to an end. The current government is not only corrupt but is completely anti-people. Their plan is to cut the little existing social net, destroy pu…

The leftist government ruled for 14 years and its responsible for most of the economic and violence problems. What you are saying is that as soon as Dilma was impeached 14 million people lost their jobs and violence skyrocketed. This is simply not true and you are clearly biased. These things don’t happen overnight or even over the span of a couple years. If anything the current government actually improved the economic situation specially when they restricted rampart government spending.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by slig »

kikoreis wrote: post #94
slig wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know. This is the second time in a couple of weeks that I seem blatant lies about my country here on HN.

It's my country too, and I don't recognize any lies in what was linked. Can you link to sources for your claim?

I don't see any lies on what was linked as well, but they are not sources for what he said.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by mrisoli »

bennicholes wrote: post #49
goshx wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You never know when you are going to be targeted, so you live in this constant fear. Ask anyone who lives in Brazil what they do if they see two guys in a motorcycle coming their way. I've been robbed at gun point; I've woken up with someone inside my bedroom stealing my laptop; I've been followed home; The bus from the public transport system I used to take was stopped by criminals and set on fire; and so on. It use…

Where did you live in Brazil? As an American I visit the interior of São Paulo and Belo Horizonte often and have never experienced anything like this, nor does it seem my Brazilian friends live in constant anxiety.

I'm from Belo Horizonte and the constant anxiety is real, of course it's not a problem every moment but shows up in every situation.

Waiting for the bus every day of the week for 15-30min, you're very exposed, and should be careful with your phone out, and some people learn your commute time, follow you, it's rare, but if you're not paying attention, it can happen.

I personally used to(don't live there anymore) double check every corner I step into to make sure there's nothing suspicious.

It's anecdotal of course but I've had three of my friends having their cellphone stolen in the same day, and at least one per day for a two week span.

My parents moved into a gated community which is supposed to be safer, only to have their house robbed their first month there, robbers get in facilitated by the staff.

I could go on with anecdotes for a long time, and just for the last year.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by epx »

slig wrote: post #50
epx wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He cannot because it is not true. Even the leftists (the true-blue ones) admit that left leaning governments have dropped the ball big time regarding security. As other comments already clarified, 90% of the problem is drug-related, the correct fix would be the decriminalization of them.

I know. This is the second time in a couple of weeks that I seem blatant lies about my country here on HN.

For the comments I can see that do many people are trying to excuse the "left" government instead of proposing solutions. This explains alone how we got in this situation.
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