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Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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I recently moved to a "bad neighborhood" and was very surprised to learn that there was only one murder here last year, and it was between friends who had stolen something from each other. There were only around 13,000 murders last year in the US, a number that used to be more like 26,000 during the crack epidemic 30 years ago. US population has increased by 10s of millions since then, but murders continue to drop. A…

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If we killed fewer innocents overseas, we'd have better karma.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Brazilian here. Our criminality numbers are _probably_ higher than the official numbers. The country is huge and diverse, but even the most pacific states and cities are in a bad shape if compared to almost any other country. More than 70% of the deaths are related to gang conflicts. Drugs are not the only problem. We also have a lot of cargo/truck stealing, street-level robbery, an enormous black market of stolen mo…

Whats this like for civilians that are not involved?

I hear about the crime in my country, but it seems unreal to me because in my area you'd never know there were dozens of murders last weekend.

Does this affect your life?

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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I recently moved to a "bad neighborhood" and was very surprised to learn that there was only one murder here last year, and it was between friends who had stolen something from each other. There were only around 13,000 murders last year in the US, a number that used to be more like 26,000 during the crack epidemic 30 years ago. US population has increased by 10s of millions since then, but murders continue to drop. A…

Murders in the US are extremely unevenly distributed. Most Americans live their entire lives without ever knowing anyone who was murdered. Many "bad neighborhoods" are not bad because of the prevalence of murder, but because of the prevalence of burglary, theft, etc.

I don't really care about those crimes because I don't own valuable things. I could recover easily if someone stole my car, which is worth less than $1,000.

I do care about rape, assault, and murder. I don't ever want to be caught up in that. So I was very glad to learn that though my small town has an above average murder rate, it's between people who don't associate with me.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Random crime in general is actually pretty rare. You are always most likely to be a victim of a crime by a family member, 2nd a person you know. Even in Brazil I bet a lot of this happens in communities, where they can try to justify violence due to some perceived slight. And of course let's not forget that America's crazy gun laws are pushed by gun lobbies because they help increase sales by creating an easy way to…

> America's crazy gun laws are pushed by gun lobbies because they help increase sales by creating an easy way to funnel guns into South and Central America. What? The Bill of Rights was that prescient? I assume it is our freedom of the press that’s responsible for the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf?

Brit here, no but the Communist Manifesto is on us.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

#37
post #25

I recently moved to a "bad neighborhood" and was very surprised to learn that there was only one murder here last year, and it was between friends who had stolen something from each other. There were only around 13,000 murders last year in the US, a number that used to be more like 26,000 during the crack epidemic 30 years ago. US population has increased by 10s of millions since then, but murders continue to drop. A…

You simply did not live in a bad neighborhood by American standards. The worst neighborhoods in Chicago have murder rates far worse than Brazil as a country. For example Brazil has an intentional homicide rate around 30, whereas Chicago has 26 neighborhoods higher, with the most dangerous one, Engelwood, topping out at 172. To put that in context, the world's most dangerous city is Caracas at 120. http://www.chicagon…

Comparing a Chicago neighborhood to a South American city seems a little disingenuous.

It might be more appropriate to compare the most violent neighborhood in Chicago to the most violent neighborhood in a similarly-sized Venezuelan city. Just as you would compare the safest neighborhoods in both cities.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

#38
post #29

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Correct, and this happens because Brazil is one of the most disgustingly unequal countries in the world. There was a small pause during the leftist governments when there was a noted improvement in social support for the poor, but the recent events have brought even that to an end. The current government is not only corrupt but is completely anti-people. Their plan is to cut the little existing social net, destroy pu…

> Their plan is to cut the little existing social net, destroy public education, and put everyone who complains under military surveillance. Can you give sources for that affirmations?

Just googling:

Brazil: Social services cuts ahead of 2016 Rio Olympics - Amnesty International:

https://www.amnesty.org.au/brazil-social-services-cut-olympi...

Brazil’s Government Cuts Social Programs to Subsidize Fuel:

http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-business/brazils-g...

Brazil Cuts 5 Million People from Its Popular Social Program Bolsa Família

http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-pop...

http://brazzil.com/brazil-cuts-5-million-people-from-its-pop...

The article mentioned police killings already being part of the problem. It's common to claim one solve the murder problem by unleashing the police but it is generally documented that police enmeshed in the drug trade and allowing more ex-judicial police murders will just make cops that commonly used enforcers for various drug gangs (a pattern also seen in Mexico where the army was then "leashed" to fight local cops and drug lords, and with no actual reigning in of corruption, you can expect army segments fighting each).

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

#39
post #25

I recently moved to a "bad neighborhood" and was very surprised to learn that there was only one murder here last year, and it was between friends who had stolen something from each other. There were only around 13,000 murders last year in the US, a number that used to be more like 26,000 during the crack epidemic 30 years ago. US population has increased by 10s of millions since then, but murders continue to drop. A…

You simply did not live in a bad neighborhood by American standards. The worst neighborhoods in Chicago have murder rates far worse than Brazil as a country. For example Brazil has an intentional homicide rate around 30, whereas Chicago has 26 neighborhoods higher, with the most dangerous one, Engelwood, topping out at 172. To put that in context, the world's most dangerous city is Caracas at 120. http://www.chicagon…

At one point during the US military involvement in Afghanistan you were more likely to get murdered in Chicago than get killed in active combat.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2016/09/08/homici...

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Murders in the US are extremely unevenly distributed. Most Americans live their entire lives without ever knowing anyone who was murdered. Many "bad neighborhoods" are not bad because of the prevalence of murder, but because of the prevalence of burglary, theft, etc.

Anecdotally, I wonder how true this is. I'm two degrees separated from two people who were murdered--one was a colleague of my father (killer never caught, suspected they knew each other, though), one a friend of my sister (also never caught, though less likely a friend/acquaintance due to her age). Surely my experience isn't that unique?? If so, wow.

I don't think it is unique if you are using two degrees of separation.

A) A friend's sister who got addicted to crack and was murdered by a guy her bf pissed off. He was caught.

B) One of my previous bosses had a cousin murdered in a domestic terrorist attack.

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