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UN says it has credible reports that China holds million Uighurs in secret camps

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> A U.N. human rights panel said on Friday that it had received many credible reports that 1 million ethnic Uighurs in China are held in what resembles a “massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy”.

> Gay McDougall, a member of the U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, cited estimates that another 2 million Uighurs and Muslim minorities are forced into so-called “political camps for indoctrination”.

One million in a single camp? Is that right? I always got the impression that the camps were smaller and more distributed.

If true, someone needs to publish the coordinates of the camp, there's no way such a thing could be hidden from satellites.

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> A U.N. human rights panel said on Friday that it had received many credible reports that 1 million ethnic Uighurs in China are held in what resembles a “massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy”. > Gay McDougall, a member of the U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, cited estimates that another 2 million Uighurs and Muslim minorities are forced into so-called “political camps for in…

A million people probably have at least 10x more relatives and friends on the outside. Ways of breaching the great firewall are well known even within China. Shouldn't there be...numerous reports of missing persons if this is the case?

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> A U.N. human rights panel said on Friday that it had received many credible reports that 1 million ethnic Uighurs in China are held in what resembles a “massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy”. > Gay McDougall, a member of the U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, cited estimates that another 2 million Uighurs and Muslim minorities are forced into so-called “political camps for in…

A million people probably have at least 10x more relatives and friends on the outside. Ways of breaching the great firewall are well known even within China. Shouldn't there be...numerous reports of missing persons if this is the case?

> A million people probably have at least 10x more relatives and friends on the outside. Ways of breaching the great firewall are well known even within China. Shouldn't there be...numerous reports of missing persons if this is the case?

There are numerous reports of missing persons:

Former inmates of China’s Muslim ‘reeducation’ camps tell of brainwashing, torture (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/former-inm...)

‘We’re a people destroyed’: why Uighur Muslims across China are living in fear (https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/aug/07/why-uighur-musl...)

After U.S.-Based Reporters Exposed Abuses, China Seized Their Relatives (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/world/asia/china-xinjiang...)

Especially consider this account:

China’s mass indoctrination camps evoke Cultural Revolution (https://apnews.com/6e151296fb194f85ba69a8babd972e4b):

> At first, Bekali did not want the AP to publish his account for fear that his sister and mother in China would be detained and sent to re-education.

> But on March 10, back in China, the police took his sister, Adila Bekali. A week later, on March 19, they took his mother, Amina Sadik. And on April 24, his father, Ebrayem.

> Bekali changed his mind and said he wanted to tell his story, no matter the consequences.

> “Things have already come this far,” he said. “I have nothing left to lose.”

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> A U.N. human rights panel said on Friday that it had received many credible reports that 1 million ethnic Uighurs in China are held in what resembles a “massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy”. > Gay McDougall, a member of the U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, cited estimates that another 2 million Uighurs and Muslim minorities are forced into so-called “political camps for in…

A million people probably have at least 10x more relatives and friends on the outside. Ways of breaching the great firewall are well known even within China. Shouldn't there be...numerous reports of missing persons if this is the case?

The situation in Xinjiang is different than in China proper: it's so poor and remote that there isn't a lot of internet access to begin with, and the state security apparatus is much more intense. Foreign journalists aren't even allowed in Xinjiang at all. Repressing news like this is probably well within the abilities of the government there.

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> A U.N. human rights panel said on Friday that it had received many credible reports that 1 million ethnic Uighurs in China are held in what resembles a “massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy”. > Gay McDougall, a member of the U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, cited estimates that another 2 million Uighurs and Muslim minorities are forced into so-called “political camps for in…

A million people probably have at least 10x more relatives and friends on the outside. Ways of breaching the great firewall are well known even within China. Shouldn't there be...numerous reports of missing persons if this is the case?

That's what I was thinking too. Westerners visit Xinjiang province with cameras. If 1m people disappeared, I'm sure someone would come up to a Westerner to tell their story.

40,000 people were disappeared en masse in Chile by Pinochet. That story made it out very quickly, and only a few photographs exist of it

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> A U.N. human rights panel said on Friday that it had received many credible reports that 1 million ethnic Uighurs in China are held in what resembles a “massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy”. > Gay McDougall, a member of the U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, cited estimates that another 2 million Uighurs and Muslim minorities are forced into so-called “political camps for in…

It’s hard to have a sense of scale at these numbers.

This camp would be the size of a pretty big town. Bigger than Boston or Antwerp for instance.

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Parable of the Leopard:

Once upon a time there was a leopard who returned from hunting to find that his cub had been killed.

He went and asked the baboon “Tell me who killed my cub for I must visit terrible vengeance upon them.“

The baboon replied, “It was the elephants”, whereupon the leopard exclaimed “Surely, you lie, it was the goats.”

Immediately afterward, the leopard went out and slaughtered a great many goats to avenge the death of his cub.

———

The tech companies will eloquently criticize the governments of the West concerning human rights secure in the knowledge that no real consequences will come of their criticism. However, the Chinese government is too powerful and the Chinese market too lucrative for tech companies to seriously criticize the Chinese government and risk getting banned in China.

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> A U.N. human rights panel said on Friday that it had received many credible reports that 1 million ethnic Uighurs in China are held in what resembles a “massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy”. > Gay McDougall, a member of the U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, cited estimates that another 2 million Uighurs and Muslim minorities are forced into so-called “political camps for in…

It’s hard to have a sense of scale at these numbers. This camp would be the size of a pretty big town. Bigger than Boston or Antwerp for instance.

no, not bigger than boston or antwerp. The rohinga camp has 1m people:

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5a259aa13dbef48d0e8b9...

Edit: I've updated the image to a more recent one.

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